To be depressed that lockdown would happen again tomorrow if there was another new disease

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We talk about all the things that are worse "since the pandemic"but government prep is based on all the same mad nonsense that caused the worsening

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Perhaps you could all sign a statement that if you end up getting sick you agree not to receive any treatment?

Quite. Many people seem to have forgotten quite how frightening it was at the beginning, when we had no real notion of what we were dealing with.

The majority would comply again, I’m sure, particularly if children were at high risk.

Plenty of people would comply. It didn't bother me.

We are not going to have exactly the same virus with the same death rate and the same vulnerable groups next time so the question is pretty pointless. If they close schools and restaurants etc down as it did last time how are people going to not comply anyway? A few people would decide to socialize in their houses and catch the virus but they probably did that last time too.

A lot of people didn't comply the first time, we had neighbours throwing parties throughout, in Liverpool basically no one followed the advise, it was quite scary actually...

I disagree on this.

The reality is we locked down far too late, this then meant we were locked down for far longer and much more damage was done in the longer term. Hindsight is perhaps a great thing, but all the signs were there, our government failed to act, when other governments were playing out live lessons for the rest of the world.

But as others have said, very few I think would comply again in the way in which we all did the first time round if we had another pandemic hit, trust is far too low now, knowing all we do about those in power wo thought they were above everybody else.

Sadly, as this thread shows, there are far too many selfish morons around

Speak for yourself! We complied because we didn’t want my vulnerable husband or our elderly parents - or anyone else’s - to die.

Yep. The government moved the goalposts all the time, to keep the figures high and frightening. Similarly, I'm certain the confusion between "died of Covid" and "died with Covid" was deliberate. Didn't the number of covid deaths suddenly drop as well, when they moved the goalposts to define a covid death?

Because they tweaked things all the time, sometimes quite blatantly, this is why many of us believe that any government simply cannot be trusted with what they tell us. Lies and spin. I don't doubt the virus existed, but conveniently omitting to tell us when it was clear that it was not as bad as first thought... nobody in government had heard the story of the boy who cried wolf.

Well plenty (me included) didn’t comply the first time so why not?

absolutely blows my mind that people still believe all the lies that were told

If we had a full re-run of the Covid pandemic but with the benefit of 20-20 hindsight, we wouldn't lockdown in the same way as we'd know more about what was effective, what wasn't and the longer-term social and economic implications.

However, if we were to be dealing with a completely new pandemic of the same magnitude but a different virus and with different impacts, then who knows? We'd have the same knowledge from the last pandemic about social and economic impacts and behavioural insights into what people would/wouldn't comply with based on Covid. And a future virus could be substantially worse than Covid - as others have said if we were dealing with something with higher mortality or predominantly impacted children then behaviours would be hugely different.

Lockdowns are not damage free. The selfish moron thing just isn’t useful. Most people complied.

I would happily comply as an agoraphobic with a medically vulnerable child.

We got through the last lockdown. It gave me a break from "people".

Bold to assume that either a lockdown or social visits would be possible in the event of something like ebola. Both of those things presume the basic building blocks of society would still be functioning, are you quite sure about that?

edit- I keep ballsing up the quote function!

I also think that people are forgetting that the U.K. trebled its ICU capacity (not including the unused nightingales) and filled all of it in the winter of 2020/2021. We didn’t choose the second lockdown, Boris was forced into it by circumstances.

It’s very much in everyone’s interests for that not to happen because if you have an accident then you don’t really want the response to be ‘we don’t have capacity to treat you, and the contingency plan of using icu capacity in another country isn’t an option either.’

I think complying all depends on the type of illness. Would I comply with Covid 2.0? Absolutely not. The detrimental impact on my child from lockdown/isolation and children like him were devastating for an illness that wasn’t a massive concern for the vast majority of the public.

Black Death? Children dropping dead? Then of course I would comply as would, I suspect, 99% of the population.

I am self-employed and didn’t get any work for six months and I wasn’t entitled to any government assistance. So you are incorrect in your assumption.
Eventually I started working online delivering training workshops. Fortunately we were mortgage-free.

And the saddest part is that even today the morons think they were right, because they 'never got ill'

Yes, I'm not sure the people coming out with this like a comfort blanket realise how dim they sound.

Most people are some mixture of selfish and selfless, and the ones who are totally at either extreme aren't representative. People who want restrictions to protect them/loved ones are no better or worse than people who don't want restrictions because they/their loved ones were more vulnerable to lockdown. Calling people selfish doesn't work now because too many of us switched off, and we also have more understanding that both lockdown and not locking down mean fucking over some vulnerable people. You aren't morally better, or worse, for wanting to prioritise one group over the other.

We are all still literally paying the price for lockdown and there’s no way the country could afford universal furlough in the current economic climate.

A novel virus that we had no idea how to deal with, that was multiple times more virulent than any other we had seen? That overloaded hospitals and saw bodies being held in makeshift morgues because there were so many? You think that was the wrong illness to lockdown for?

The reality is, it wasn’t lockdown that was the problem, it was a failure to properly plan how to lessen the spread and come out of lockdown. That’s why it went on so long and happened so often.

The testing and tracing regime was far too lax at the beginning, quarantine wasn’t enforced. Borders remained open for too long and even when “closed”still saw thousands of people entering the country.

I would have no issue with complying with any lockdown, but I would want to see a proper mitigation in place for how it was going to help.

Lockdown more firmly, much earlier

And morons who don't comply get herded into football stadiums with other morons and see how quickly they succumb

It could be the greatest boost to the country's average IQ since the banning of lead in petrol

I agree. I don’t see what the alternative is. There were over 200,000 deaths related to Covid and that was with lockdown. The hospitals wouldn’t have coped without it and we would have seen people literally dying while waiting to be admitted. I hated it. I felt isolated and the impact on those around me was profound but if a life threatening virus were to come around again I would go through it again.

Imagine thinking we've got the security infrastructure to pull anything like this off and calling someone else a moron!

Which lies?