to think WLI have given many people huge health improvements despite the remarkable number of people on MN who are anti WLI for no good reason

[MountainStorm]

There seem to be endless anti WLI threads on here filled with misinformation, faux concern, and thinly disguised jibes at overweight people. I don’t really understand the motivation but that’s another issue.

On the other hand, many people have seen huge improvements in their health, confidence and wellbeing from using WLI. I certainly have.

So I wanted to ask AIBU to say that WLI have given many people huge health improvements and to ask what health improvements have you personally experienced on WLI?

For me

• been able to reduce antidepressant medication
• improved fitness, don’t get so tired or out of breath when walking

Well that turned pretty ugly as as you couldn't help but try to insult me. The joke is on you if that's all the things you see in me, a stranger on the Internet. You laid bare a lot about yourself instead and it's not pretty.

It does confirm though that you seem to have limited understanding of personal development and self awareness.

It’s very naive to think the NHS would be any good at supporting people using WLI anyway. My experience (and I think this is the general case) is that the NHS is great at dealing with acute diseases, but totally crap at dealing with chronic, complex, not-immediately -life-threatening and/or “lifestyle” type disease and that you often know more about your condition than the hcp.

The irony here is outstanding. Are you actually trying to lecture me on 'self awareness'?

Turn that spotlight inward. You are the one who turned it 'pretty ugly'...go back and read the tone of most of your previous posts.

This is my experience too. I got into a vicious cycle of dealing with trauma, weight gain and other physical issues because of the trauma and the weight. The NHS couldn't effectively help addressing the underlying issue, which is psychological. I'm very fortunate that I can afford years of private therapy and it's been hugely helpful. I'm so fortunate to be able to afford WLI too. I might be able to get out of this cycle. I feel so lucky to have the opportunity.

Now I just have to make sure I do it correctly under the watchful eyes of MN critics 😂

It’s so interesting. I’m hoping Dr Andrew Jenkinson who wrote “Why We Eat (Too Much) writes an updated post WLI version of the book as I’d love to hear his take.

The tone is in your head. AFAIK MN relies on written conversation. I obviously trigger you. Your feelings around my alleged tone are yours to deal with. Instead you lash out.

I'll check it out. From a post another pp made, I'm now wondering if they work by balancing your hormones = stabilised blood sugar = body no longer crying out for quick hits? It's a neat way of getting there. Thanks for broadening my perspective 😃

Thank you!

Everyone was obsessed with that book on here a few years ago!

What age group are you?

I'm an older millennial.

@Perimenoanti
“Especially boomers routinely abused their kids which the following generations are looking to undo and still live with the damage”

WTAF are you on about…..jeez!

I'm on about emotional abuse. The way lots of boomers raised their kids was emotionally abusive. We didn't know then, but we know now.

Absolute bollocks!

Proving my point?

I'm not going to derail the thread.

You just did……didn’t take long for the thread to become a boomer bashing load of twaddle, based on nothing but AI shit.

Perimenoanti - what have you got against 'boomers'?

I said this hours ago. I know you didn't really want an answer to WTAF I was on about. Maybe don't take it personally?

ODFOD

@MountainStorm ignore Lady Whiteadder LadyTangerine - at home she probably sits on a spike.

Omg YES, that would be brilliant.

Still fat here, obese, despite having completely changed my eating habits and exercise, I struggle with portions and do not have that off switch. Nonetheless I’ve lost 25 kg calorie counting.

I’m not on WLI as I cannot afford them (please don’t insult me by telling me to get an extra job or something). So the effect on me as I read, listen, hear, and see the clear life changing effect not so much of the loss of weight made easier, but the maintenance is hard. That is the thing. And I don’t think it’s possible to get to a healthy bmi and then take WLI for maintenance. Though you are allowed a prescription if you used WLI to get to that point. Getting the weight off for me is ok, staying there another story. I wish I could have that wee bit of help to shut off my food want.

As I’ve freely admitted on other threads in the topic, I am envious of all of you who can afford it, despite also being pleased for you. It’s great for the life changing qualities. The constant vision around me of all this success however is making me feel shitter about myself than ever. I feel this is a new health divide and will create a dangerous black market. I’m just being honest though I hate that jealous feeling it is so destructive. I would not qualify on the nhs. Sorry for the doom post.

What a load of nonsense, it’s not pubs fault some people are alcoholics or vodka makers fault it’s the individual that decides off their own back to go and buy and consume theses things. The accountability is on the consumer, the pub isn’t forcing anyone to buy anything.

So why are there restrictions on alcohol advertising and purchasing? Why are they forced to put warnings all over the bottles? Cigarette packaging is literally a warning label and they have to be behind the counter. Gambling companies have a whole host of rules they operate in. Lending companies are the same. The dangers of addiction mean these things are controlled and regulated

The restrictions on alcohol sales and all the warnings are for public health and safety. Cigarette labels are again for public health and safety to warn people of the dangers to try and reduce consumption and put smokers off. Gambling companies are required to have warnings and restrictions to protect vulnerable people, make sure things are fair and prevent crime. Yes you are correct in saying the dangers of addiction means these things are controlled and regulated however you are wrong to say that to some degree the people providing this things are at fault. It’s called accountability if someone wants to smoke that’s on them, they’ve been given the warnings, they know the warnings but the accountability is on them to decide if they want to buy the cigarettes or not, same with alcohol. Yes addiction is real but the consumer is still accountable