To think that Trump's offer to take in South African farmers was one of his few good decisions, and confused why some people were angry over it?

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I loved Lauren St John's books as a child, and I'm now reading her memoir of growing up in Zimbabwe (then Rhodesia) during the civil war of the 70s. She writes extremely well about the postwar realisation that not having apartheid didn't mean Rhodesia hadn't discriminated against its black citizens. She also writes of the terrorism during the war where white Rhodesians' farms were attacked and families murdered.

It made me consider Trump's actions for white South Africans. Now, I think his use of the word 'genocide' was extremely poorly advised. Like the war in Gaza, it seems to be inflating genuine suffering into a very specific term which should only be used sparingly for circumstances where it actually applies.

But I think he was right to take in the farmers. I think Trump in general is a disgusting person and President. But that doesn't mean any action he has done is automatically bad. It's well known that South Africa is an extremely dangerous place to live in general and farms are particularly targets. I know that white South Africans disproportionately own farms so this is probably a strong reason why they are targeted. It's also arguable that there's probably some element of racial revenge in some criminals, given the country's agonised history, but I don't think that raises it to the level of genocide.

Whatever the motives are, the fact remains that white South Africans are arguably in danger where they live. Why was there such criticism of a decision to help people in danger, at no great discernible cost to the US?

That's really awful. St John did say in the memoir I mentioned in OP that some white Rhodesians felt let down by Britain but she didn't really elaborate if she meant over the war or something else. It's shocking that British-born citizens didn't receive help.

I think you’ve got to break down the crimes into the actual types and per population.

More white South Africans are murdered and ran off their land and properties by black South Africans not white South Africans.

More black South Africans overall are victims of crime but they are the bigger population so per capita they will be the higher victim number and also the higher perpetrator. As you’d expect it due population levels.

So yes I think white South Africans are more at risk of being assaulted and murdered purely for being a white South Africans.

While black South Africans are more likely to just be a victim of crime be that pretty theft to murder within their own demographic rather than for who they are.

I understand that white South Africans have strong reasons to be afraid of crime, and it's disgusting they're living in fear.

However, there was a recent survey in 2024 using police & forensic data. Taking population share into account, white South Africans were underrepresented as murder victims. There has been very little study on this, though.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10664949/

There is no white genocide in South Africa nor are white South Africans being targeted
The only group facing persecution in South Africa is women.
If Trump really cared about a group facing persecution in South Africa he would allow refuge to female South Africans of all races.

He is only allowing white South Africans because he is a white Supremacist and is doing everything he can to increase the white US population. That’s it.

I think it needs to go deeper on why the murder happened.

All murder is wrong but in some cases you need to dig deeper into why to record the statistics properly.

It’s much unspoken or rather wanted to be swept under the rug but even in the U.K. black on black crime is the biggest killer for black people. Why. What’s driving them to kill each other is the thing we need to find out and not be afraid of the answers due to racist accusations. We can’t fix or help what we don’t understand.

We know why white South Africans with land are being killed and ran off it’s because of racism over them having the land due to ancestors. But nothing is seemly done to prevent or help.

This bares repeating. If Trump gave a shit about human suffering he would not have scrapped USAID. He does not care what blood he has on his hands from that.

This is all in support of the Great Replacement Theory - it’s a move purely designed to generate fear in the USA around the idea of white Americans becoming an ethnic minority.

What are you trying to say? Are you saying that black on black crime is underreported/ignored in that survey? I mean, it clearly says that most black crime is intracracial and affects black people the most, so I'm not sure why you're saying they're ignoring black-on-black crime?

Re what's driving 'them' to kill each other - black people aren't a monolith, black South Africans who murder will have different motives to black Britons. South Africa is an exceptionally violent society, I don't think comparing motives there to motives here will be very helpful.

As to motives : I'm sure racial resentment is a factor in murders of white farmers.

But isn't it more likely that the murders are committed for economic reasons? As in, farmers are the targets, and white South Africans en up being targeted more as they are mostly the farm owners? Although there's evidence of black workers and black farm owners being targeted too.

As to your comment on UK crime,,most crime as I said is intraracial. Most black Britons are killed by other black Britons, and most white Britons are killed by other white Britons

Most crime in South Africa is driven by poverty, there is still immense poverty there. I’ve been many times, Fil and Bil still live there, dh emigrated here to UK in his 20s. Poverty always plays a big part in crime. If you are rich in South Africa though you are usually fairly safe, although I wouldn’t want to live in gated compounds with armed security etc. But if you are poor (black or white), you are much more vulnerable. There is no real benefits system such as we would recognise, so the poor really are at serious risk. Trump doesn’t give a shiny shit for South Africans he’s just a racist.

No. As has already been said.multiple.times on this thread.

What is your agenda here?

Proportionately, white people are in less danger. If, when they are in danger, that is partly due to their race, sure, thats not ideal. But frankly, its not high on my agenda of things I worry about for my birth country right now. I am far more concerned about femicide, about corruption, about continuing challenges of getting black south Africans decent housing and education etc etc.

White south Africans still have far more wealth, are largely better educated etc.

I am white and live in South Africa (I’m British) there is no white genocide.
I am far less likely to be a victim of crime as I can afford to live in a secure area, don’t use public transport, don’t have to travel at night etc etc.
Trump, of course, has an agenda, one that serves him. One of things he wants removed is BEE (which prioritises jobs for previously disadvantaged people among other things) for US owned companies - so US companies can bring in their own staff rather than employ local people and still get lucrative contracts (which are not available to companies with low BEE scores currently).
This is heresay, but I recall reading that there are more refugee spots available than people who actually want them. Also real refugees don’t need to sell their houses first or use Luis Vuitton suitcases….

Crime rates in SA are so high due to poverty and the wealth gap. Most of the wealth sits with white people due to the racial white supremecy discrimination of apartheid.

everyone is at risk, some more than other depending on your wealth. That’s pretty standard.

the core issues now are a) attacks on white farmers post apartheid where black South Africans wanted ‘their land’ returned. No doubt some of this was born from anger. And b) employment laws that specify targets for employing black South Africans in favour of white. Many white professionals are leaving SA as a result.

And c) the years of political corruption that did no-one any favours at all except to grow the wealth of a few black and white elites.

I travel there regularly. Lived there 20 yrs ago for a short while. It’s safer than it was but frankly city centres and townships are full of crime of every kind and I couldn’t live there or go there for long periods.

many people I know who live there have been able to afford to move to the coastal areas since Covid enabled hybrid working.

trump offering solace for the white folk, but no-one offered solace to the black folk. Yeah it’s a pretty low move that pushes racial segregation and puts the blame on the most vulnerable who need help the most.

Which even 30yrs post apartheid, isn’t the white farmers.

Let's work on the assumption that, rightly or wrongly, he believed they were in danger. That's what he was told and he accepted it as the case. Now...

Do you think he took them because they were in danger?

Or do you think he took them because they were white and in danger?

Agree- and all while cutting off USAid (which whether or not it was flawed, did help millions of people across Africa).

I don't have an agenda to claim white farmers are being targeted if that isn't the case- I was challenging the poster. Sorry if that wasn't clear!

Because it's skin-colour based. He wants to evict those with dark skins and take in those with pale skins. He should be letting immigration sort them on the basis of whatever the USA uses to rank applicants, not queue-jumping the ones with pale skin.

I’m not going to respond to op’s idiotic thread. I will say however, for some unfathomable reason their hmms are really irritating!

So many “confused “ people on this site 😂.

If people of group X are under duress is the criteria, then apply it to all groups in all countries.

That he chose white South Africans is the tell.

Also remember Elon Musk, who was born in SA, gave him $270M. Connect the dots.

It looks like Trump has revived this policy to now offer asylum to UK Jews.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/18/trump-uk-jewish-asylum

I think anti Semitism is getting worse & worse here. But otoh I'm not convinced the US is much better. I support a 2 state solution but a lot of the US college protests seem to tip from legitimate criticism of Israel to anti Semitism. Anti semitism is also rising on the right, with people like Candace Owens & Nick Fuentes.

Plus,, is the US physically sager for anyone? Their violent crime rate is higher than us.

Well, that's a million times my daily limit for disingenuousness.