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Jury service expenses are ridiculous

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Dinosaurus86 · 29/12/2025 18:25

Posting here partly for traffic, partly because it is ridiculous and wondering if anyone has experience.

Have just been called for jury service. I am PT self employed. Have a one year old not in any formal childcare. I also have a just turned four year old who is in nursery for two full days and one further short one / week. The wording of my letter seems to suggest that you can get a maximum amount of £64/ day to cover both loss of earnings and additional childcare costs. Does anyone know if this is correct? Because it is less than even the full day rate for nursery before I even take any loss of earnings into account - and that is just for one child - no idea what I’d do about the younger one. We have some family but not enough to cover full time, and she isn’t used to being away from me. Not sure if I should attempt to defer or if will just have the same problems in a few months… help!!!

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tizwozliz · 29/12/2025 21:23

How do other countries deal with jury service?

Not all countries have jury trials, Germany and the Netherlands for example

Bluebigclouds · 29/12/2025 21:25

In Scotland you can only claim for a registered childminder - so my children are at nursery or after school club - but I couldn't get reimbursed if I sent them there the extra hours needed to cover jury duty.
Also if I used a childminder they only reimburse£6 an hour and a most local childminders charge more - and most require you to book - and with jury duty you may or may not be needed.
It's totally ridiculous, if they want a representative jury.
Although they excused me easily enough.

1980isitjustme · 29/12/2025 21:26

Dinosaurus86 · 29/12/2025 18:36

Yes I guess I’ll ask to defer. The funny thing is that I would quite like to do it! But they don’t exactly make it easy. I do still feed 1yo before her nap and to sleep - I wasn’t sure if I should mention it as she’s not exactly a tiny baby.

when you defer you have to provide 3 more dates (2 week slots) with 12 months that you can do.

if there was a longer trial starting when you are there you would have the opportunity to explain why it is impractical for you to attend more than the 2 weeks.

Eyeshadow · 29/12/2025 21:30

Canonlythinkofthisone · 29/12/2025 18:41

Yup it really is that ridiculous.
My DH was called a few months ago and had to defer as he can't take the hit on earnings.
Flip side is I would love to be called and my work pay full pay for JS so. There should be a register that you can volunteer yourself on, surely it would be easier!

I agree!

I would love to do JS and there are so many people who can’t/don’t want to do it that you’d think there would be some sort of system that people can opt in/out of.

farley123 · 29/12/2025 21:32

If you have legal cover on your house insurance you may have cover for your salary while doing jury service. I just changed my house insurance and noticed it is covered on mine.

Eyeshadow · 29/12/2025 21:32

FWIW I was asked to do it but my old employer refused to let me.

I was then re-invited back within 12 months (it was cancelled before I got to attend).

So definitely defer but don’t be surprised if you are asked within the next few months.

CotswoldsCamilla · 29/12/2025 21:41

Sorry, OP, I voted YABU, not because you are, but because I don’t want to give Lammy any excuse to get rid of trial-by-jury as he is currently trying to do.

lifeonmars100 · 29/12/2025 21:45

I have never been called and out of all my friends and family only two of them have. It is strange reading comments from people who have been called a few times, guess the whole thing is totally random and if that is the case they must get a lot of people who ask to defer due to personal circumstances.

Iocanepowder · 29/12/2025 21:45

I am total agreement the whole jury process needs a restructure.

Not just the cost to the public but also pulling 12 randoms off the street to decide if someone is guilty of a crime without any assessment of intelligence or thought process is madness.

My mum is retired and would have loads of time to do it. But she has absolutely no logical thought process and would be terrible.

Magnoliafarm · 29/12/2025 21:50

All these stories of women deferring because of childcare duties! The courts really should pay properly and/or provide nannies and/or within school hours hearings. The point of a jury is an even cross section of society. But they've managed to exclude working women! We need a presence to be heard, this is how so many vile men get away with vile things even after it's been to court!

EyeLevelStick · 29/12/2025 21:50

JudgeJ · 29/12/2025 21:07

If we go down that route then juries will not be representative of the population. How do other countries deal with jury service?

Do we really want jurors to be racist misogynists with poor critical thinking skills? Can a jury with such jurors ever deliver justice?

1980isitjustme · 29/12/2025 21:50

lifeonmars100 · 29/12/2025 21:45

I have never been called and out of all my friends and family only two of them have. It is strange reading comments from people who have been called a few times, guess the whole thing is totally random and if that is the case they must get a lot of people who ask to defer due to personal circumstances.

It massively varies depending on where in the country you live. I think statistically you are much more likely to be called if you live in London, for example.

Filterphobia · 29/12/2025 21:51

I completed jury service less than 3 months ago. That daily allowance is for loss of earnings and childcare @Dinosaurus86 then you get £5.71 a day for food and they also pay you per mile travelled and they paid park and ride fees.

I deferred mine in July this year and had to give three other dates I was available and they had to be within a year of the original date. They then sent me a summons for one of the other dates I had given. This was the case for lots of others on jury service with me. You would probably be best ringing up and speaking to the court clerk to see if you can be excused as once you defer you will get summoned again and you can’t defer a second time.

Limehawkmoth · 29/12/2025 21:52

I served about18 months ago. I’m retired and it was no issue for me re time and money. But I was truly angry and shocked how little money could be claimed by those employed. It was ok if you worked for big company that’d make your wage up, and even nurses and firefighters etc. but for everyone else it doesn’t touch minimum wage. Those in gig jobs or self employed are literally subsidising the justice system. I was also infuriated that you can’t take in a thermos yet I was being charged in court cafeteria £2:75 for a mug of tea that I had to make myself with IHT milk. And with meal allowance £5.71 it didn’t even cover 2 cups of tea let alone any food. A complete rip off.

what annoyed me the most was the complete utter time wasting and complete disregard for jurors time😡. We lost half a day it took for defense team to re photocopy some printed documents for juror pack that should have been checked before case started. Literally all sat around in jury lounge for 3 hours having done just 15 mins in court thst morning, then being told we’d not get started again till 2pm. We lost another afternoon becuase a sound system packed in and they appear not to have IT support in courts. We lost another 2 hours one day becuase we had to move into another court due to more issues with heating. I could go on and on, the sheer time wasting, the short days worked in sitting in court actually hearing the case. I was 3 weeks on jury on 1 case which if you put time in court and deliberation end to end took just 30 hours. And all that bloody time people can’t go home, if they we were occasionally told we’d not get could come in late or go home early, the self employed or gig workers couldn’t go to their jobs anyway. I came from a rural village that ok me 50 mins to travel to so made no sense for me to go home and come back. The only thing they do pay fairly is petrol and parking costs, even though they push you to use public transport (not option for me -3 hours! )

I was really looking forward to jury Service. My overwhelming emotion was frustration. The sheer time wasting, money wasting. The frankly shocking lack of preparation or critical thinking by BOTH barristers🤯. Whilst justice may have been served, it is one huge massive waste of time and money for everyone but the legal staff. Especially when there’s such a backlog of cases to be heard.

id now try to find every excuse on the sun to never do it again. It took me many days to calm down 🥴🤣

I really don’t understand why there’s not a public petition to increase allowance for jurors, and recognise some parents of pre school kids need to defer, and ensure the self employed and gig earners can claim they’re entire loss of earnings back. It’s a con, off the backs of the very poorest and lowest waged. Those in professional roles will be compensated by their employer or can afford it on their earning. Pensioners like me are absolutely fine, even poorer pensioners can afford it.

Genevieva · 29/12/2025 21:53

Bjorkdidit · 29/12/2025 18:45

You really don't. The whole process is a shambles. As well as the woefully inadequate expenses for childcare, travel and loss of earnings, they'll keep you waiting around for hours, if not days with no information and you're just expected to put up with it.

Plus most of the population are too stupid to follow the instructions of the judge about basing a decision only on evidence presented and not what they found by googling or 'how you could tell they did it by looking at them'.

The thing is, there are times in our lives when it’s impossible and times when it’s easy. There should be a way of saying that this year is convenient or not. That way they wouldn’t waste time in people who can’t attend.

modgepodge · 29/12/2025 21:54

JudgeJ · 29/12/2025 21:07

If we go down that route then juries will not be representative of the population. How do other countries deal with jury service?

But why does a jury need to be representative of the population? (Other than that is the basis of them.) If you have a medical problem you don’t have a group of people representative of the population deciding what is wrong with you. You have trained experts, who are more intelligent than average and have spent years learning about the problem you have. Why couldn’t we have professional juries, who have spent years training on the law and are experts on it, hearing evidence and deciding if the law has been broken? Why is a group made up of people who largely know nothing of the law better??? I genuinely don’t understand.

Joeninety · 29/12/2025 21:57

Yes it's ridiculous. Think this £64 a day figure is right now. Funny, about thirty plus years ago when I had to go, it was around £120 a day ?!

PauliesWalnuts · 29/12/2025 22:15

Dinosaurus86 · 29/12/2025 18:55

Yes kicking myself slightly as this has been on my radar and contemplated insurance but haven’t had the money to pay for extra insurance…

Haven’t read all the thread but check whether your buildings and contents insurer will pay out. It’s a while since I did mine and I can’t remember the insurer but my employer wouldn’t pay my salary and the insurer paid the difference between the JS reimbursed rate and my take home salary.

Iocanepowder · 29/12/2025 22:22

JudgeJ · 29/12/2025 21:07

If we go down that route then juries will not be representative of the population. How do other countries deal with jury service?

I’m not convinced they should be representative of the population though.

My friend’s son who recently turned 18 has been called up for JS. He gets top grades at sixth form but has not yet moved out of home and spends his free time in his room watching shit like Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk on Youtube. Even she as his mum is worried about him sitting on a jury.

MermaidMummy06 · 29/12/2025 22:29

I'm not sure of your system, but I've been excused twice, and used childcare reasons.

One instance was this year. I'd have had to take unpaid leave from work on days I'm called, still keep on top of my workload, DH would have had to stuff his hours around & possibly take leave as well. Plus I'd have to pay for parking.

No thanks.

Zov · 29/12/2025 22:45

Eyeshadow · 29/12/2025 21:30

I agree!

I would love to do JS and there are so many people who can’t/don’t want to do it that you’d think there would be some sort of system that people can opt in/out of.

But that is FAR too sensible, and too good an idea, and would make peoples lives easier......

They're never gonna do that! 😆🙃

Limehawkmoth · 29/12/2025 22:47

modgepodge · 29/12/2025 21:54

But why does a jury need to be representative of the population? (Other than that is the basis of them.) If you have a medical problem you don’t have a group of people representative of the population deciding what is wrong with you. You have trained experts, who are more intelligent than average and have spent years learning about the problem you have. Why couldn’t we have professional juries, who have spent years training on the law and are experts on it, hearing evidence and deciding if the law has been broken? Why is a group made up of people who largely know nothing of the law better??? I genuinely don’t understand.

Have you served on a jury? Genuine question.

my one positive takeaway from my 3 weeks service 18 months ago (see my previous post on sheer frustrations) was the attitude and approach by all the jurors.

it is a common misconception that the jurors need knowledge of law and therefore “spent years training on the law and are experts on it, hearing evidence and deciding if the law has been broken” would produce a better, quicker judgement. That is simply not the jurors job. That’s judges job to explain the law, it’s the CPS barrister and his their terms job is to present evidence of the crime, and defences to present evidence on why the defendant hasn’t broken the law. The jurors job is simple: which evidence do we believe is the truth. That’s it. What We agree is the truth is the verdict of guiltily or not guilty. Jurors are never asked to make decisions on the law itself. In fact it’s outside of a jurors role. There is a full briefing document giving the details of the law and what very spepcifc things you are be asked to decide. The judge constantly steers the jury on matters of the law, and the barristers for that matter 😳

all the jurors on my case were taking that seriously. They listened to copius instructions from judge on matters of law. They diligently read 3 ring binders of written evidence which we waded through verbally line by line in court. They took deligent notes on evidence to remind themselves later what they’d heard. We as a group discussed many times when one of us was not clear on a point of evidence, or had missed something others heard, or where we interpreted something said differently. We helped each other resolve it or sent questions to judge (which you can do). We deliberated in a very disciplined way listening to each jurors points in turn before even discussing the verdict. We treated each other and the defendants and witnesses with respect

it was a bloody refreshing reminder, frankly, that most people care, they want to do a good job, and as humans we are mostly smart enough to listen and understand no matter our age, education etc. yes, people have different personalities on a jury and sure some of them I’d not wanted to work with in “real “ life or hang out with, but we were all mature and tolerant enough to deal with it, respect each other and mostly respect the law, court (even if we did get all pissed off with time wasting and lack of reimbursement ) I honestly don’t believe that was exceptional, I’ve talked to many people who’ve said same thing.

Your analogy that “If you have a medical problem you don’t have a group of people representative of the population deciding what is wrong with you. ”, is a false one…the jurors are not there to decide what the disease is and the prognosis , they’re there to assesss which side of defence and prosecution truth telling. Validating the story. Just the same as why I as asked to attend every appoint my exh had with psychiatrist for his severe and enduring mental health issues, for 15 years, because the doctor wanted to hear both his patients perspective and the only other observer of the symptoms during the 6 months between appointment. That allowed psychiatrist to determined where truth lay. I didn’t need to be a psychiatrist myself to do that.

you are also not taking into account unconscious bias. We all have it. Even judges. Magistrates (hence why people have right to be heard by their peers in court) Police, barristers, solicitors, CPS . And even the sort of people who’d be willing to train as professional jurors . A jury is randomly selected. Literally 3 seperate machine random generators to actually get onto jury- the last one whilst you are standing in court down to last 15 selected to get to final 12. That way it is best protection for accused to avoid a prevalent unconscious bias of those listen to evidence and determine the truth. With all the training in the world a professional jury would not ever rid themselves of the risk of a prevalent unconscious bias.

it sure aint perfect. Miscarriages will occur, especially in cases of rape for instance, where the idea of professional jurors has often been touted and perhaps the strongest case exists. But that has never been touted on basis of a professional juror knowing more about the law on rape! It has been touted to counter the sadly prevalent unconscious and conscious bias in jurors (and general population) about believing rape victims and a huge tendency for jurors to victim blame etc.

apologies if you have served, and your experience was different in that you found your fellow jurors a bunch of bozzo idiots or prejudice ignoramuses. For me it was the one light in whole process that as hums we want the best for each other generally, want fairness, and are pretty intelligent

Bagpuss2022 · 29/12/2025 22:51

It is shocking the expenses , I had to fight tooth and nail to be excused a few years ago I suffer with MH (ptsd) not long been out of a MH unit also don’t have faith in the justice system due to my own experience of them (cause of my PTSD)

Limehawkmoth · 29/12/2025 22:52

Iocanepowder · 29/12/2025 22:22

I’m not convinced they should be representative of the population though.

My friend’s son who recently turned 18 has been called up for JS. He gets top grades at sixth form but has not yet moved out of home and spends his free time in his room watching shit like Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk on Youtube. Even she as his mum is worried about him sitting on a jury.

Let me reassure ..we had 18 your old, still living at home, on our jury. She was a valuable contributor. She said the whole thing was very positive for her in terms of her development (even though we all found bits a bit harrowing). Her education in state school had set her up to listen carefully, recall clearly , and ask curious questions of the jury which helped prompt discussion.
yes she took a bit of encouragement for her to voice her opinions, but so did some of others and they were much older with a lot of life experience.

Limehawkmoth · 29/12/2025 22:55

MermaidMummy06 · 29/12/2025 22:29

I'm not sure of your system, but I've been excused twice, and used childcare reasons.

One instance was this year. I'd have had to take unpaid leave from work on days I'm called, still keep on top of my workload, DH would have had to stuff his hours around & possibly take leave as well. Plus I'd have to pay for parking.

No thanks.

Small point, cos everything else is valid. If you have to come by car cos public transport is not variable, they WILL pay parking…blurb you get form court seems to say otherwise (I think to pressure people not to drive) but they do pay.
pin fact car allowance was only generous allowance,it fully covered my car journey and parking paid seperately.

hey ho, small point though

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