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I'm scared of my Angry 4year old DD

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Hiitsmeagain1 · 28/12/2025 19:54

Hi all
Not sure If I'm overthinking but my DD4 just turned has severe mood swings over nothing and everything.
For context she is much harder work then older two DD but I just assumed different father different genes.
DD4 father is not living with us currently. Not sure contextual or not.
DD4 hits DD10 over everything. Sh lashes out when she's in a mood and she will throw ruin whatever is in her vicinity. She screams and throws her toys on floor if something doesn't fit like she wants, rip books etc. Just now she screamed at me (like kat did in EE) for ruining her toys (I didn't and the toys were hiding under the blanket which I used on her duvet for extra warmth and tipped her toys on the floor in response.
I do worry when DD4 does this as it's scary and even my older two find it scary not funny as you would when younger sibling has a tantrum.
i worry if this is a sign of the type of adult she may become. I try everything to disciple her and remind her of how she should behave - we talk about the colour monster a lot, I offer hugs I sit with her and remind her how we need to behave and how we don't get angry like she does and we need to talk etc etc. the next day exactly the same over nothing she will just switch. She does say sorry mummy as soon as she's calm and asks if I'm still her best friend to which I reassure her I'm always her best friend even when she's angry.
AIBU to be worried or is this normal?
My older two did not behave or react like this so not sure if I'm dealing with it right.

OP posts:
Mercatorgater · 28/12/2025 21:23

RessicaJabbit · 28/12/2025 21:20

You'd be the first to rbe upset if someone smacked you for any tiny misdemeanor.

You wouldn't go " ah, fair cop, I needed that and it will definitely stop me losing my shit ever again, what a fantastic way to teach me how to deal with my emotions in.a sensible way"

I was a child at one time, I was smacked.

It probably improved my behaviour.

bridgetreilly · 28/12/2025 21:23

It is definitely worth looking at her diet and removing as much sugar, additives and UPF as possible. All those things can have a huge impact on emotions and emotional control.

RessicaJabbit · 28/12/2025 21:24

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My child is 6 and has never been hit.

She's not at all naughty.

We actually teach her how to navigate life and cope and how to be decent without physical assault.

You know, like a decent parent. Not one that teaches them whenever they struggle, the person who they trust and love the most on the planet will resort to violence...

Mercatorgater · 28/12/2025 21:25

I can only go by observation of results.

Your softy pandering system isn’t too impressive, by such criteria.

RessicaJabbit · 28/12/2025 21:25

Mercatorgater · 28/12/2025 21:23

I was a child at one time, I was smacked.

It probably improved my behaviour.

Well, clearly it didn't, because surely you would have only had to been smacked once...?

And it's clearly left you damaged if you think hitting a small helpless child is a good and correct thing to do...

RessicaJabbit · 28/12/2025 21:25

Mercatorgater · 28/12/2025 21:25

I can only go by observation of results.

Your softy pandering system isn’t too impressive, by such criteria.

You must just be on the wind up...

Mercatorgater · 28/12/2025 21:27

RessicaJabbit · 28/12/2025 21:24

My child is 6 and has never been hit.

She's not at all naughty.

We actually teach her how to navigate life and cope and how to be decent without physical assault.

You know, like a decent parent. Not one that teaches them whenever they struggle, the person who they trust and love the most on the planet will resort to violence...

I am very glad that you are bringing up a well behaved daughter. You should be proud of yourself and of her.

AnonSugar · 28/12/2025 21:30

Hiitsmeagain1 · 28/12/2025 21:22

Oh my goodness this sounds so familiar bar the rocking back and forth. Especially the competitiveness and wanting to be the best and ruining her stuff when she feels she's not winning or it's not good enough. How did you get the referral?

It took a long time. I’m sure she was about 4 the first time I went to the GP. The first one heard “headbanging” and immediately went to autism. Referred to paediatrician and it was rejected. Second GP said she’s just taking the piss out of us 😆. School referred us to a Family Support service. Agreed that she was in a safe, loving environment, needs were being met and strategies were being implemented but with no improvement. She wrote me a supporting letter to take to GP.

I went back to the GP in Aug/Sep this year and just broke down. Her meltdowns are not normal for a 6yo. Can be 8+ a day and living with her mood swings is so difficult. GP said they would try the paediatrician route again. I received a letter saying they were (her and her twin) on the fast track waiting list. I almost fell off my chair 😆

As I said above, she didn’t think it was autism but could be very good at masking so referred to ND team, sleep clinic and OT for sensory seeking.

In my opinion, autism and ADHD is still assessed by the symptoms typically presenting in boys so it’s not helpful for girls at all.

Skybluepinky · 28/12/2025 21:49

Hiitsmeagain1 · 28/12/2025 20:06

Scary as in i feel out of my depth.

Go and seek help with dealing with it before someone gets hurt, and take child to the GP with a video golf what they are doing. Your boundaries aren’t working or it wouldn’t be happening.

seriouslynonames · 28/12/2025 23:13

AnonSugar · 28/12/2025 21:11

aside from your daughters angry outbursts, how else did she present?

My 6yo DD is exactly the same with the anger and demand avoidance. We tread on eggshells around her all day.

She’s perfect in school. No issues at all. I’ve have several meetings with them and feel stupid because they don’t see anything wrong.

At home she’s a perfectionist. If she’s drawing and a line feels off she will scream, tear the paper, throw the pens and storm off. She hates any kind of competition - riding her scooter with siblings, building Lego etc. Throws the scooter and storms off in the middle of the street if she perceives the sibling doing better than her or goes in front of her. Will lose the plot if she’s building Lego next to a sibling doing the same. (Different sets) but goes mental if sibling is a page further than her.

She wants all the attention and loves being the best at things. Low attention span for sit down activities.

She’s a sensory seeker - rocks back and forth on the sofa and headbangs to fall asleep.

Edited to add: she has always had the same morning and bedtime routine but she fights it tooth and nail at every step.

Anyway, GP referred to paediatrician because I couldn’t cope with her meltdowns any longer. Long story short - she doesn’t think autism because she was communicating well and playing with her twin during the appointment. But completely shut down the idea that it might be ADHD.

Shes been referred to the ND team just in case she’s really good at masking.

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Hi @AnonSugar @Hiitsmeagain1

How else did she present? Everything you say in your post. Constant movement, never sitting down to watch TV - instead climbing all over the sofa and other furniture whilst watching, or drawing all over her legs with felt tip pens. Or tearing up bits of paper.
Never sitting down for dinner instead always up and down from the table - one bite then twirl around, another bite then run a circuit of the kitchen etc etc.
Rocking back and forth when being ready to or when reading.
Absolutely hellish bedtimes, resisting every single step. And not able to explain why. Finding it so difficult to switch off body and brain for sleep (still a massive challenge, one of us lies with her until she's asleep).
Starting all sorts of craft projects or Lego but screaming and throwing or destroying at the first sign of difficulty. Wanting constant attention - rarely plays alone. Lots of role play with dolls, acting out what happened at school or on a TV show.
Aggressive, violent outbursts at the smallest thing, hitting and kicking us.
'equalising behaviour ' towards older sister, e.g. nudging her when walking into a room where sister is sitting. Going in her room and refusing to leave.
Unable to cope with losing at any game.
Wanting to decide what we play, how we play it, who does what job. Wanting to 'direct'.

'fine' in nursery then school.

How did we get her referred? We ended up going privately. Tried school, tried GP, who believed us but said it's a long wait, can you afford to see someone privately. Initially we just wanted to work out why she was so angry for such a young person, and how to help, work out what we were doing wrong. Eventually the psychologist agreed it was worth getting her assessed for ADHD. I had long suspected but as you need evidence in two settings it was difficult to get anyone to care. The psychologist we had seen lined up a colleague of hers to go into school to observe (with school permission and daughter not being told anything) to help us gather evidence for when we subsequently went for assessment. We had to go to a different clinic as the original one only did combined assessment (along with ASD) at the time.

So we had evidence from school even though the school themselves couldn't see much, apart from a bit of fidgeting and anxiety (which they would not have remarked upon had we not asked).

I don't know if we would have got through triage on the NHS because the form I was shown seemed very tick box and school would not have ticked many boxes. So not ideal if you can't afford to go privately. But if you can gather evidence from any other setting that can be enough (child minder, a club the child attends etc).

Good luck x

lottiegarbanzo · 29/12/2025 09:13

Stop looking at your 4yo as a mini-adult. She’s a 4yo child.

Stop describing yourself as her best friend, that’s really confusing. You’re her mum, you will always love her. You are not her friend - she will have / make friends at nursery and school. Friends are conditional, they come and go. Mums are constant.

It’s good that her meltdowns happen at home, not at nursery. That shows she feels safe at home, safe to express herself and let everything out.

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