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To ask which historical crossroads you wonder about?

423 replies

HoneyParsnipSoup · 13/12/2025 19:33

For me it’s wondering what would’ve happened had Catherine of Aragon had a son and Henry hadn’t divorced her. Country may well be totally different.

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Millytante · 13/12/2025 21:14

Soashamed60 · 13/12/2025 21:11

@InterestedDad37 no wonder the poor man was partial to a gin & whiskey, being married to Maggie.
Despite all her faults & bad decisions she was a strong woman. She had balls of steel compared to the hapless showers we've had in power since her demise. I'd rather have her as a leader if we ever went to war then any pm we've had since

We ought not forget that many women would be strong had they the financial and emotional support of a wealthy husband from the minute they graduated!

Maddyisqueen · 13/12/2025 21:14

SarahAndQuack · 13/12/2025 21:12

The poster means if she were queen directly after Henry.

This thread is about alternative versions of history and how they might have happened, not about what did happen?

Oh I know it’s just that I didn’t think much different so she must have not known she did get to thrown

sorry.

TiredofLDN · 13/12/2025 21:15

Yes to guy fawkes
If Elizabeth 1 had produced an heir
If pearl harbour hadn’t happened
Brexit
If Ed Miliband had won labour leadership instead of David

not historic yet, but what if Trump hadn’t literally dodged the bullet

bryceQ · 13/12/2025 21:16

Also the relationship with Mary Queen of Scots would have been very different if England had remained Catholic. And the relationship with France.
I suspect though there would have still been wars of religion at some point like in France though…. Protestantism would have still made its way over we just might not have had church of england?

Soashamed60 · 13/12/2025 21:18

@InterestedDad37 same in my area. Pits have been gone a long, long time round here, but there.are still some old time ex miners alive who still really hate her with a vengeance

Ponoka7 · 13/12/2025 21:19

If the Vikings hadn't have embraced Christianity the life of women would have been so different. Combined with women being involved with politics within other groups and the Norman's, we might never have been so subjugated.

Tadpolesinponds · 13/12/2025 21:19

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/12/2025 19:57

If Edward VIII had married someone else instead of Wallis Simpson, remained king & had kids.

A strong Nazi sympathiser as king during WWII. How would that have panned out?

Genevieva · 13/12/2025 21:19

Apparently almost everyone of British descent has King Edward III as an ancestor. His father was nearly assassinated a year or two before he was born. Had that succeeded, the entirety of British history and everyone living in Britain today would be different.

bryceQ · 13/12/2025 21:20

my what ifs….

if the Vikings decided to settle en masse in America

if Henry V hadn’t died so young and had lived long enough to be king of France (was literally weeks!)

if Catherine of Valois hadn’t married her servant Owen Tudor

if it hadn’t been windy during the Spanish Armada

if US hadn’t won war of independence

Tadpolesinponds · 13/12/2025 21:20

If Nigel Farage hadn't survived that plane crash.

bellocchild · 13/12/2025 21:21

PinkPanther57 · 13/12/2025 20:35

What might the alternate reality look like?

If Catherine of Aragon's son, Henry of Cornwall, had lived longer than 52 days, we would have had a different lineage and no queens.

Millytante · 13/12/2025 21:21

InterestedDad37 · 13/12/2025 21:13

Yes, she was a strong woman, and she had other strengths too, but she was quite the opposite of popular round my way.

If she had not been elected, I believe Anglo-Irish relations would have been a million times better, and much of the agony through the 1980s would have been avoided (the Hunger Strikers wouldn't have been martyred and canonised, thus a very effective recruitment and galvanisation opportunity would have been denied to the ‘RA)
Thatcher though despised the Irish, and made that very clear in dealing with both Haughey and with Fitzgerald, two men who could scarcely have differed more.
She kept Irish animosity against GB alive and kicking when another PM might have striven at all costs to encourage co-operation between our countries.

Ladymuckypuddle · 13/12/2025 21:22

@bryceQ then we wouldn't have had Hamilton 🎶

suburburban · 13/12/2025 21:23

If Richard hadn’t been killed at Bosworth field by Henry vii

sprigatito · 13/12/2025 21:23

Elizabeth I dying of smallpox in 1562

Tadpolesinponds · 13/12/2025 21:24

If Jesus hadn't been crucified.

Maddyisqueen · 13/12/2025 21:25

sprigatito · 13/12/2025 21:23

Elizabeth I dying of smallpox in 1562

Didn’t she die in1602?

Friendlyfart · 13/12/2025 21:25

everdine · 13/12/2025 19:55

If Covid had never happened.

Totally. It affected so much for my DC.

Themagicfarawaytreeismyfav · 13/12/2025 21:26

If Tony Blair et al hadn’t been elected would this country have ended up in this state?

LiddySmallbury · 13/12/2025 21:26

sprigatito · 13/12/2025 21:23

Elizabeth I dying of smallpox in 1562

?

Globules · 13/12/2025 21:27

Every October, I wonder what the outcome would have been if Harold's army hadn't been so tired from their long march North to South.

bryceQ · 13/12/2025 21:27

Elizabeth I very nearly died of smallpox as a younger woman. She survived. And lived to a mature age with a long reign. That’s what the poster was saying, what if she had died young.

biscuitscake · 13/12/2025 21:28

If Robert Burns had not written Auld Lang Syne - what would we be singing on NY Eve?

Ladymuckypuddle · 13/12/2025 21:28

What if the Scots won the battle of Culloden ?

Millytante · 13/12/2025 21:29

bellocchild · 13/12/2025 21:21

If Catherine of Aragon's son, Henry of Cornwall, had lived longer than 52 days, we would have had a different lineage and no queens.

If Henry’s sister still married as she in fact did, we’d still have had Mary, Queen of Scots. Scotland was a thorn in Henry’s side and Catherine wasn’t much more enthused, as we know.
At some point in the later 16th century we might have had an issue with Mary over sovereignty, and over English relations with France.
Imagine if you, as the Scottish queen, found yourself whizzed into an alternative history such as has been proposed, and you avoid bring beheaded at Fotheringay… but end up beheaded at the Tower for a different crime against the English throne! Duh!