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.... to be miffed my parents did equity release without discussing it with the rest of the family? (long)

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tittybangbang · 10/06/2008 15:30

...... namely my brother, my sister and myself? We only found out after the deal was signed.

Mum (75)and dad (80) live in a good sized detached house in a lovely village. The house needed a bit doing to it and they didn't have savings to pay for new windows/a new kitchen/new cars, although as an ex civil servant my dad has a good index linked pension. So without discussing it with us they borrowed 100K against the house - and the interest on the loan will roll up until the house is sold. My dad made all the decisions and organised the whole thing. My mum just signed on the dotted line. She said to me that she didn't really understand what the equity release involved or the implications for the future - which I'm not surprised at as my dad has always treated her like a child in matters relating to money. She's never earned much and my dad's been in charge of all the household spending. He's said things to me in the past like 'your mother doesn't really understand money'. They didn't take independent advice on equity release - just talked to the solicitor who was working for the company who sold them the product. At one point they did consider down-sizing but my dad said he couldn't consider living in a semi-detached property because he likes his privacy.

I'm worried now that with falling house prices and increasing interest rates they'll end up within five years being saddled with a debt so huge that they simply won't be able to move, and then they'll be stuck in a big house they can't cope with (the garden is a quarter of an acre and they're worn out looking after it), or afford to heat, and has no downstairs toilet or bathroom (a big issue for my mum as she has problems with her joints). It's not such an issue while my dad is alive but if he dies before my mum (more of a likelyhood as he's had several small strokes in the last year) the household income will be halved overnight and she has no pension of her own. I dread the thought of my mum being marooned in that house, unable to get up the stairs to the loo, spending all her pension on getting people to come in to cut their 100 foot hedge and mow the massive lawn, and being too frightened to turn the heating on........ I'm going to have to work full time at some point to service our massive mortage. How am I going to be there for my mum when she needs me? I can bearly cope with my own house and my three children and dog, let alone maintaining my parents property and helping them when they're not able to cope with it themselves, or with living in a house which is not suitable for elderly, frail people but which they're stuck in because there's no money left in the property to buy anything else.

The other side of this that's really bothering me is that I've suddenly discovered I'd been unknowingly harbouring a sense of entitlement over my parents estate, and I feel really ashamed about it. I left home early (at 18) and haven't expected or had have much help from them in financial terms over my adult life. I've always felt that this was the way things ought to be - that you shouldn't expect to get money from your parents and should go out and shift for yourself. That's why I feel ashamed when I face up to how resentful I now feel since it's dawned on me that if things proceed the way they are now, I'm likely not to get a bean when they die - the entire estate will be sold off and the money will go to the bank to pay the extortionate interest on the loan they've taken out. I'm thinking - you don't have any right to anything, but then I think about how I feel about my own children and how gutted I'd feel about my entire estate being handed over to the bank on my death.

Maybe also I feel more upset about it now as I've had worries about money over the past six months - a health scare (that hasn't quite resolved) that has really made me worry for my future, plus a whole load of unavoidable expenses that have put a strain on the family budget. I should say - we're not poor, but we're like many families in the UK right now: big mortgage, big household bills and only one income.....

It's stirred up other thoughts as well that I feel really uncomfortable with. I can't help comparing my parents behavior with that of my inlaws, who were less well off and lived in a smaller house, but who saved for all their 4 children so they were all able to afford the deposit on a house when they left home. My parents never saved anything for me, and didn't encourage me to save either. I must be the only person I know who never even had a post office account as a child..........

Oh dear - does this all sound really moany? I think the worst of this whole thing is that it's given me negative feelings about my beloved parents - particularly my dad. I should be treasuring the time I have with them now not feeling resentful and hard done by.......

Sigh.

Any words of wisdom anyone?

OP posts:
AbbeyA · 12/06/2008 11:08

My parents didn't have a legacy or an inheritance, their money is hard earned and I would prefer my mother spent it. I have put my DCs first in any decision making.We have investments to give them a financial cushion as adults. I have covered what happens to them if we were to die before they are adults, their education is a priority with me but once they were adults I expect them to manage. I will help out if I can but leaving them money is not important.
I am certainly going to have skiing holidays and travel rather than put money into private education for grandchildren, which isn't necessary.

SenoraPostrophe · 12/06/2008 22:14

oh fgs of course holidays and new kitchens are luxuries.

I don't think there are a lot of "saints" on this thread, Idina, but there are a few extremely lucky people who don't seem to consider themselves lucky.

LeQueen · 13/06/2008 19:04

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kiddiz · 14/06/2008 12:38

I would love my dps to do equity release. A very complicated family situation means sorting out any inheritance would be a nightmare and I would selfishly much rather they blew the lot before they go than have the job of trying to sort everything out afterwards.
I have tried to get them clarify their wills but they don't see the potential problems which I know will surface after they've gone.
If there was nothing to inherit there would be nothing to argue over. Plus they could have some really good holidays etc. and see there money spent how they want.

MrsTittleMouse · 14/06/2008 13:09

I agree with madameplatypus - the sense of entitlement thing is a red herring. tittybangbang admits so herself.

AbbeyA · 14/06/2008 13:19

I agree with LeQueen-I am not a saint or a particularly 'nice' person as people seem to be suggesting-I would like my mother to spend whatever she wants and have a good time. She didn't get an inheritance, she worked hard and deserves some luxuries. My DH and I are not lucky, we work hard. It is a big mistake to think you should get things handed to you on a plate-I am not expecting to get anything without having worked for it-unless my lottery ticket comes up tonight!

beaniesteve · 14/06/2008 13:26

I think Frog's post(s) is/are fair and reasonable. I can understand why the equity release would be a worry purely because you don't know if the scheme is a good one and also because it is something which may effect you later if one or both die and the debt is big and your responsibility. Ditto the future care issue.

Do they have life insurance etc?
I don't think it's unreasonable for you to have these complex emotions about the finances and the relationship you have with your parents as these could effect you quite badly in teh future, specially if you feel like you a going to have to become the main carer/support to your parents.

It is their right to do what they want with their money but if they haven't taken impartial advice then that's a bit worrying.

tigermoth · 14/06/2008 13:35

I think it's entirely reasonable in general to expect aged parents to discuss their money decisions with their grown up children.(assuming here that the children are close to their parents)

Why? having to care for aged parents can hugely impact on so many lives (children of aged parents and even grandchildren). How aged parents make provision for their future care(or not) concerns the whole family. And for many people, like the OP, it is parents' property that will fund their care (or not), so property decisions have a huge impact.

Thus is different to grown up children feeling entitled to an inheritance. This is a different issue - a matter of communication amongs different generations and a sense of family feeling and respect.

I do feel it's reasonable for grown up children to feel entitled to have some discussion abouit their parent's long term financial decisions. Not to order them what to do, but to talk things over and explore how aged parents decisions might impact on the lives of their children and grandchildren. Aged parents obviously make the final choice.

Of course it's the parents' money in the end, but parents choose to have children IMO Even elderly parents do not have the 'right' to abdicate every single shred of responsiblity for their grown up children's future and emotional well being. IMHO

AbbeyA · 14/06/2008 15:14

It is very difficult to decide at which point children should be entitled to some discussion. You wouldn't expect parents in their 60's to do it or even 70's. I suppose you have to wait until they have health problems.I don't think that parents abdicate responsibility for grown up children, you can give support that isn't financial. I would be inclined to give them money and treats before I died.

Lottiegal · 10/01/2014 14:36

I would say cherish the time with them and let them make their own choices. We are of the generation that will have to accept an inheritance isn't a given thing as financially the landscape has changed. My dad died suddenly and hadn't made a will so I didn't get a thing, this doesn't bother me, I'd much rather have home back so he could have seen my family grow up. After they have gone the money will be the last thing on your mind. I would make sure you are financially secure yourself a you are not reliant on a nest egg from them Smile

PedlarsSpanner · 10/01/2014 14:40

OMG at reviving this from 6 years ago

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