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Whywhywhyyyy · 2025-12-09T11:12:25+00:00

This is completely bizarre. The news is thin on the ground so to see it I would have to link the mail or other obscure sites; but they are talking about this on Sky News abroad so assume it’s legit. Apparently woman was arrested by 10 officers and dragged naked from a bath tub because she called a person who hospitalised her from assault a faggot in a message ranting to a supposed friend who reported her for using that word. What is going on in this country?! Yes sure that’s unpleasant. But is that really illegal? And if she has been hospitalised by this person then do I really care if someone uses bad words - even if they are hateful. YABU - that’s a perfectly appropriate use of the law YANBU - WTF is going on in this country!

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:05

MrsBelindaMay · 09/12/2025 15:00

And you are either evading the answer or genuinely not understanding the implications of the position of "it depends on a context" when it comes to the freedom of expression (or lack thereof) and deciding whether a word is a crime.

I will leave you with it.

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What part of depends on the context are you struggling with?

Leave me to it? You're leaving as your foolishness has been pointed out

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:08

TheVengaBusIsComingMyBusPassIsForthcoming · 09/12/2025 11:24

I've read a little about this, but the information is pretty sparse.

If he assaulted her he should have been arrested and she should have been given justice for sure.

There is no justification for her using homophobic language. She could have called him a wanker, said she hated him etc, why jump straight to homophobia? Especially with someone that she doesn't know well, as they reported her (I think it was a colleague, but details are vague so that may not be true).

On the face of it, from the little that's in the press, it seems very heavy handed, but they clearly had justification for it or that amount of officers wouldn't have been approved in the first place.

From what I can gather the details have been put out by her and her friends so it's going to be very bias reporting.

But we know the police love being heavy-handed when it comes to easy targets. Look at Glinner being arrested at the airport by armed guards, or the couple who were arrested by six officers in front of their children for criticising their child's school on WhatsApp.

Also, she's from Merseyside and says the f word is used a lot for someone who is weak, she's right, it is. So is the word "gay". It's not right, but it's common language used. I've said worse in private messages. Hell one of my best friends is in my contacts as ..... f**t.

LakieLady · 09/12/2025 15:08

askmenow · 09/12/2025 12:48

The public is being constantly gaslit!
Just yesterday in Leamington Spa, two 17yr olds were convicted/sentenced for the rape of a a rape 15yr old white British child.

One dragged her into the bushes and phoned his mate to come and help before both raping her.

No MSM actually reported the FACTS that these boys were Afghan illegal migrants living in taxpayer funded accommodation.

So another girl has her life ruined because our Government are allowing men from mediaeval cultures to enter our country illegally and roam the streets.

HOW MUCH LONGER ARE OUR GOVERNMENT GOING TO SACRIFICE OUR WOMEN AND GIRLS ON THE ALTER OF “DIVERSITY”

To preserve our Free Speech, we should all join the Free Speech Union and stuff this Government and their censorship.

They want the public cowed into submission. After all it worked during Covid.

We have to accept this Government is not acting in the interests of the British people and make preparations for future unrest. Because it will come. There’s only so much Brits will take.

And whatever happened to resilience?

“sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me”

It was reported that the perpetrators were Afghan nationals on BBC1 news earlier today. I didn't hear a bulletin about it yesterday, I was out most of the day.

And they didn't enter the UK illegally, they are seeking asylum. It's not illegal to enter a country for the purposes of claiming asylum.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:10

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:08

But we know the police love being heavy-handed when it comes to easy targets. Look at Glinner being arrested at the airport by armed guards, or the couple who were arrested by six officers in front of their children for criticising their child's school on WhatsApp.

Also, she's from Merseyside and says the f word is used a lot for someone who is weak, she's right, it is. So is the word "gay". It's not right, but it's common language used. I've said worse in private messages. Hell one of my best friends is in my contacts as ..... f**t.

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All airport police are armed. If you're arrested at an airport it's by armed police. Mentioning that they were armed is kind of meaningless in this circumstance

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 15:12

TheVengaBusIsComingMyBusPassIsForthcoming · 09/12/2025 11:40

She was convicted under the communications act. The slur was an aggravating factor.

I agree the proposed restriction of juries is problematic, but I don't agree that people should be allowed to go about being homophobic, sexist or anything similar under the name of 'free speech'.

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Do you think such behaviour should be a criminal offence?

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 15:12

MrsBelindaMay · 09/12/2025 15:00

And you are either evading the answer or genuinely not understanding the implications of the position of "it depends on a context" when it comes to the freedom of expression (or lack thereof) and deciding whether a word is a crime.

I will leave you with it.

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Do you actually not understanding what 'aggravating factor' means? Is that the problem here?

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Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 15:13

Throneofgame · 09/12/2025 14:59

Ludicrous.

Give me one example of someone using a single homophobic, racist or similar word and getting 5 years in prison

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I am not a lawyer I have no idea. It’s news to me calling someone a faggot full stop is a criminal offence or aggravating or whatever the term is.

I thought this had to be part of harassment or direct threatening behaviour to the individual in question. Not quite sure and I am still not tbh. I have no idea what the law is and I am not sure how many do?

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BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 15:14

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 15:12

Do you think such behaviour should be a criminal offence?

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Do you think malicious communication - the offence she was guilty of - shouldn't be an offence?

Snowonground · 09/12/2025 15:15

Blizzardofleaves · 09/12/2025 11:48

Firstly a simple offence like this would never warrant an arrest a long these lines. Ten police officers to arrest a lone woman is simply mind boggling. If this happened, a full investigation will be required. Particularly as every defendant has the right to dignity.

If this person is of previous good character, it is likely to be a fine anyway assuming she is guilty, even with the ‘aggravating’ feature. The word was used up to a few years and fairly indiscriminately, she would have a case as a defence to say she simply did not know it was so offensive.

Where did the offence take place? It can’t be here surely, our police forces are run off their feet at the moment, and would reserve this kind of force for dangerous criminals with weapons or similar.

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Did you hear what happened to Graham Lineham?

Bromptotoo · 09/12/2025 15:16

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 14:44

She said she pleaded guilty because her lawyer said they would charge as a hate crime and she could get 5-10 years.

It is concerning in light of removal of juries. I think we need to fight that and it seems it’s only ever women who plead guilty to these speech crimes so we need a public service announcement somewhere for women to not plead guilty!

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Do we know for a fact what the lawyers advice was?

We know the Northampton woman whose posts after the Southport Murders was advised of a longer sentence if found guilty after trial

She pleaded guilty at Sefton Magistrates Court and got a relatively low fine. I doubt a 'long stretch' was really a possibility.

Mention of a jury is a red herring; it wasn't ever at the Crown Court. .

The oddity is the number of officers involved but if there were kids in the house that may have been factored into the force's calculations.

But if she had to be pulled from her bath I'm guessing she refused opportunities to 'come quietly'.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 15:16

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 15:13

I am not a lawyer I have no idea. It’s news to me calling someone a faggot full stop is a criminal offence or aggravating or whatever the term is.

I thought this had to be part of harassment or direct threatening behaviour to the individual in question. Not quite sure and I am still not tbh. I have no idea what the law is and I am not sure how many do?

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Yep, those jury trials looking less advisable by the minute.
"a criminal offence or aggravating [sic]" are 2 different things

pottylolly · 09/12/2025 15:17

She was assaulted. Reported her attacker. But it was she who was arrested for calling him a word to someone else while he’s roaming free. This should have been dismissed or the ‘friend’ fined for wasting police time. Why on earth was she arrested for this?

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Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 15:19

Bromptotoo · 09/12/2025 15:16

Do we know for a fact what the lawyers advice was?

We know the Northampton woman whose posts after the Southport Murders was advised of a longer sentence if found guilty after trial

She pleaded guilty at Sefton Magistrates Court and got a relatively low fine. I doubt a 'long stretch' was really a possibility.

Mention of a jury is a red herring; it wasn't ever at the Crown Court. .

The oddity is the number of officers involved but if there were kids in the house that may have been factored into the force's calculations.

But if she had to be pulled from her bath I'm guessing she refused opportunities to 'come quietly'.

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I took that from what she said in the piers Morgan interview so it’s her account.

So only crown court and higher have juries? I honestly don’t know much about the law/ court system. So would pleading not guilty have helped her case?

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MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 15:19

"Also, she's from Merseyside and says the f word is used a lot for someone who is weak, she's right, it is. So is the word "gay". It's not right, but it's common language used. I've said worse in private messages. Hell one of my best friends is in my contacts as ..... f**t."

Yes..... And why is it that it is used to mean weak.... Or different .... Effeminate... Because it's a homophobic slur that likens these negative traits as being the preserve of homosexuals.

Hell of a defense to say "God no, I wasn't saying he's actually gay or that that's anything wrong with being gay what a horrible thing to accuse me of.......I'm just saying he's so weak me that he must be gay/a fa*t."

Looking forward to future justifications of
"Calling people a jew round my way just means they're tight, it's not got anything to do with hateful stereotypes about Jewish people."

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:20

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:10

All airport police are armed. If you're arrested at an airport it's by armed police. Mentioning that they were armed is kind of meaningless in this circumstance

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Ok, and the rest?

Acafan · 09/12/2025 15:22

MrsBelindaMay · 09/12/2025 14:46

Of course you can't. But that's not the issue here anymore. The question is - and has been - if it is ok to use words in private conversations which can be deemed offensive and be reported for it as a crime.

It can be a lot of words, depending on how "triggering" the other person may find them, so it seems like no speech is safe. And that's what is worrying.

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Cool, let me clear that up for you. Yes, you can use offensive terms in a private conversation. No crime committed. Whether it's "ok" probably depends on your view of hate speech, but it's not a crime. So you're safe to go ahead and use slurs when you talk to friends at home, or casually arrange to meet up with them, or chat about events of the day, if that's what you want to do.

If you commit and plead guilty to the offense of malicious communications - sending distressing and alarming messages to someone - and some of those communications contain hate speech, then that will have an impact on your sentence.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:23

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:20

Ok, and the rest?

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Sorry, do I have to respond to everything in your post?

I was just adding context to the armed police comment, so that people understand that the police weren't armed because of any threat he may have been, but just as standard procedure at an airport

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 15:23

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 15:13

I am not a lawyer I have no idea. It’s news to me calling someone a faggot full stop is a criminal offence or aggravating or whatever the term is.

I thought this had to be part of harassment or direct threatening behaviour to the individual in question. Not quite sure and I am still not tbh. I have no idea what the law is and I am not sure how many do?

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It's not. It's not news to anyone. Because it's not an offence on its own.

Similarly saying I'll kill you is not an offence in and of itself.

Picking up a handbag is not an offence either.

Walking through a door is not an offence.

All can form part of an offence depending on context and facts.

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:24

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 15:19

"Also, she's from Merseyside and says the f word is used a lot for someone who is weak, she's right, it is. So is the word "gay". It's not right, but it's common language used. I've said worse in private messages. Hell one of my best friends is in my contacts as ..... f**t."

Yes..... And why is it that it is used to mean weak.... Or different .... Effeminate... Because it's a homophobic slur that likens these negative traits as being the preserve of homosexuals.

Hell of a defense to say "God no, I wasn't saying he's actually gay or that that's anything wrong with being gay what a horrible thing to accuse me of.......I'm just saying he's so weak me that he must be gay/a fa*t."

Looking forward to future justifications of
"Calling people a jew round my way just means they're tight, it's not got anything to do with hateful stereotypes about Jewish people."

"It's not right," did you miss that bit in your speech? And does she deserve to be arrested by ELEVEN officers for using offensive words in a private conversation?

Looking forward to future justifications of
"Calling people a jew round my way just means they're tight, it's not got anything to do with hateful stereotypes about Jewish people."
The Nazis used to arrest people for saying the wrong thing or thinking the wrong thing, are you happy to be heading that way?

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:26

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:23

Sorry, do I have to respond to everything in your post?

I was just adding context to the armed police comment, so that people understand that the police weren't armed because of any threat he may have been, but just as standard procedure at an airport

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No, but justifying the tiniest part of my post doesn't make any sense when you look at the context of the entire post.

BackToLurk · 09/12/2025 15:28

Jesus, people. You're probably fine to keep using all your homophobic and racist language in your private conversations as long as you try not to break any laws.

randomchap · 09/12/2025 15:29

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:26

No, but justifying the tiniest part of my post doesn't make any sense when you look at the context of the entire post.

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As the police are generally unarmed in the UK, stating that he was arrested by armed police imples that they sent in armed police specifically for him when that's not the case.

It's just slightly dishonest

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 15:31

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:24

"It's not right," did you miss that bit in your speech? And does she deserve to be arrested by ELEVEN officers for using offensive words in a private conversation?

Looking forward to future justifications of
"Calling people a jew round my way just means they're tight, it's not got anything to do with hateful stereotypes about Jewish people."
The Nazis used to arrest people for saying the wrong thing or thinking the wrong thing, are you happy to be heading that way?

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No I didn't miss it and If you meant "it's not right" in that she's lying that faggot means sometime different where she comes from, then I agree with you, her explanation is not right.

If you meant, as I assume you did, that her explanation is morally not right but they content of it is true, then no I think that's bullshit. The fact that terms like faggot and gay are used to mean things are inferior is intrinsically homophobic and anyone arguing otherwise is irredeemably thick or acting in bad faith.

And she wasn't arrested for wrong speech or wrong think, she was arrested because she sent a barrage of malicious texts to someone.

As for the ten officers, that seems excessive but I'm unclear where that number has come from.

Blizzardofleaves · 09/12/2025 15:31

Whywhywhyyyy · 09/12/2025 15:19

I took that from what she said in the piers Morgan interview so it’s her account.

So only crown court and higher have juries? I honestly don’t know much about the law/ court system. So would pleading not guilty have helped her case?

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Pleading not guilty is only advisable if she is able to prove culturally that the term used is not homophobic and is an acceptable, well used term (which it may be) and commonly used in her area without any homophobic intention. If she is represented well, I would expect her to argue this ‘slur’ and was taken out of context, and for there to robust debate in court. We need greater clarification generally about language and the use of within the courts, and the extent in which it can be applied. This case will likely take place in a magistrates court, and will be listed for trial assuming she pleads not guilty.

Separately, I would hope this young woman will raise a formal police complaint, and request a full investigation regarding the conduct of the police officers at the time of her arrest. The way she has been treated, assuming the reports are accurate, is completely unacceptable, and a breach of her human rights.

TeenageSu1cideDontDoit · 09/12/2025 15:33

MoFadaCromulent · 09/12/2025 15:31

No I didn't miss it and If you meant "it's not right" in that she's lying that faggot means sometime different where she comes from, then I agree with you, her explanation is not right.

If you meant, as I assume you did, that her explanation is morally not right but they content of it is true, then no I think that's bullshit. The fact that terms like faggot and gay are used to mean things are inferior is intrinsically homophobic and anyone arguing otherwise is irredeemably thick or acting in bad faith.

And she wasn't arrested for wrong speech or wrong think, she was arrested because she sent a barrage of malicious texts to someone.

As for the ten officers, that seems excessive but I'm unclear where that number has come from.

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I meant it's not right morally, nor is it right as in people who are gay are weak, because they're not. Like I said one of my best friends is gay (calls himself a f*g all the time) and my daughter is gay.