To think Jeremy Bamber might be innocent

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Or that at the very least his conviction wasn’t safe and there needs to be a retrial? Ihe was convicted in 1985 of murdering his adoptive parents, sister and her twin sons at his parents’ farmhouse. It was at first deemed to be murder-suicide by the sister, Sheila Caffell, who was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Bamber had been on full life tarriff ever since and still protesting his innocence. I always assumed he was guilty until I listened to a podcast called Blood Family. There was a lot of evidence the jury didn’t hear, it seems the police mucked up the crime scene, his cousins had a financial motive for framing him and a police officer in the control room apparently took a 999 nonspeaking call from the farmhouse while Bamber was outside with the police, which would indicate someone was still alive at that point.

They could still see if landlines been used

Who did it then?

It has, and a lot of examination on the phone calls took place. Jeremy said the logs at the police station showed that Neville had phoned. However the police officer who logged the call was able to explain that it could read like that, however he was stating that it was Jeremy he had spoken to.

Other bits ive forgotten, I know there was talk of someone still alive in the house while they were outside, which was explained by reflections on the window.

He has a Ted Bundy type following certainly, who believe him innocent.

For me Id be crap on a jury as to me once the defence starts throwing doubt in Id find it hard to find someone guilty! But I believe in my gut he is.

I’m talking about Michael stone

Ah ok. Apologies!

I thought we were still on Jeremy.

My argument stands that Jeremy has been appealed in the intervening years and no cause to change the verdict has happened.

But the podcasts are always interesting, its a very high profile case obviously.

This is a case that may be beyond logic. At least, my logic. Logically, it doesn’t add up that a sane adult in line for a huge inheritance hopes to get away with the murder of five of his relatives?

every so often I fall down this rabbit hole.. going to read the full thread & come back

His dad was early 60s and fit as a flea

He could have had 30 plus years to wait.

But yeh, I get you

There used to be someone on MN who was a key figure in the Free Bamber type campaign and had visited him/wrote to him a lot. She posted about it all years ago. She runs a whole website iirc.

He was really terrifying.. not saying JB isn't

Agree with all of this - also Sheila was taking some heavy duty anti-psychotic drugs. I have a close family member who takes these same drugs and there's absolutely no way Sheila would have the physical co-ordination or the capacity to plan and execute these murders. Her autopsy proved that she had taken her medication that night and therefore would have been extremely sleepy and uncoordinated.

oh my god really?

Not to my knowledge no.

But his legal team did say the silencer evidence was ‘unreliable’ because it was found in the cupboard around 3 days later by one of his cousins.

So either Jeremy chucked it in there himself knowing it would show she did not kill herself, and the police did a botched search (which we all know is likely given their terrible handling of other evidence), or they’re suggesting that it wasn’t there during the initial search.

The handling of the entire case has left many questions!

Agree, if she’d shot herself with it on then of course it could not have got there. Which makes the logic of testing whether it was too long for her to have done it with the silencer on even more wrong! Given that the blood that was found on the silencer was only matched by type and not DNA I tend to think the silencer is a red herring anyway. What I struggle to understand, whether she shor herself or he shot her, is the position. Would someone stay seated on the floor if someone pointed a gun at them? Wouldn’t they scramble to get up, put their arms out? Nevill and June were found in ways that indicated struggle or attempts to escape. The children were asleep when they were killed. For me it only makes sense for Sheila to be seated that way if she needed to position herself to fire the gun. But, the lack of other forensic evidence on her - blood etc - is hard to understand.

Such a shoddy investigation that the truth is unlikely to ever be known. Terrifying really, you wonder how many miscarriages of justice there really are.

I'm not derailing but the police messing up the crime scene etc reminds me of the O.J. trial.. now he was obviously guilty no question but the idiot racist LAPD bungled the scene & planted unnecessary evidence so the prick walked.. you'd hope that stuff doesn't go on anymore

@Maddyisqueen a case being reviewed doesn’t mean that that’s the end of it. There have been other cases reviewed and appealed and the same conclusions drawn only for it to emerge (usually through DNA) that it wasn’t that individual at all.

I remember watching a BBC documentary about Stone but I was maybe two weeks postpartum so the finer details escape me! I’d need to watch it again. I do remember thinking it was by no means conclusive he was guilty, though. He was certainly a very troubled individual but not one who had form for attacking women and children in rural areas.

I think what everyone should bear in mind is that with high profile ‘shocking’ crimes the police are under a lot of pressure and scrutiny and that can lead to errors. It’s horrible because it’s awful to think someone could walk amongst us after something as horrific as some of the crimes here and also equally (if not more) horrific to think the wrong person is locked up for it.

Yes, in order to believe Bamber was innocent you have to believe the police lied. Unfortunately that’s the easiest part to believe.

I agree with other people on this thread who have raised the state of Sheila’s nails and the effects of her medication, as being bigger problems with the claim that she did it.

I was appointing out that it had had repeated attention

Maybe she fell over or backwards or he positioned her? Wouldn’t he if he wanted to make it look like suicide

The pathologist said the wounds were inflicted in a seated position, not that she was found in that position. She was found laying flat on her back.

Ah

I still don’t find it odd

You don’t find it odd that a person would sit on the floor while someone placed a shotgun against their neck and wouldn’t scrabble around trying to get up or push the gun away?

No as we don’t know the facts - he could have been telling her to sit down and do what he said and he’d spare her - only he knows what happened

he could have been saying he’d spare her kids if she did what he said 🤷‍♀️

she had no gunshot residue on her hands

Was it proven that the boys were murdered first?

She had two shots to her neck which was also nigh on impossible to do from what I remember.