To think Jeremy Bamber might be innocent

[KimberleyClark]

Or that at the very least his conviction wasn’t safe and there needs to be a retrial? Ihe was convicted in 1985 of murdering his adoptive parents, sister and her twin sons at his parents’ farmhouse. It was at first deemed to be murder-suicide by the sister, Sheila Caffell, who was a diagnosed schizophrenic. Bamber had been on full life tarriff ever since and still protesting his innocence. I always assumed he was guilty until I listened to a podcast called Blood Family. There was a lot of evidence the jury didn’t hear, it seems the police mucked up the crime scene, his cousins had a financial motive for framing him and a police officer in the control room apparently took a 999 nonspeaking call from the farmhouse while Bamber was outside with the police, which would indicate someone was still alive at that point.

Has he got married?

I'm watching White House Farm, the drama. In all the horror I never knew he got his mother's dog put down.

He was a shit bag for a very long time. Doesn't make you a murderer, but he was a self-entitled, highly strung nob who raced through the money his adoptive parents gave him.

I just googled - no. Although there are lots of Facebook fangirls...

Bamber said it was the vet’s decision to put down the dog and yes I know he could be lying. Apparently there’s no official record of the dog being put down. He wasn’t happy with Carol Lee Scott’s book.

Oh hes got quite the coterie.

A couple of years ago I had a read of Websleuths and the posts were wild. Lots of in fighting on who was doing the most or was closest to him.

You would never reason with evidence, as thsy talked about him as if he was Elvis!

I think that fits - he’s super human and above paring with a pleb

Im sure he wasnt, Carol Anne had him sussed😁

I think - dare I say - that it lends the view that putting anything down's fine by him...

I know that's a reach, but he treated his family horribly in life.

And then he ended them.

Probably, I haven’t read it yet. But the dog being put down didn’t happen, and as pointed out to me, the drama is based on her book.

Its a very balanced book actually, it outlines his perspective and a lot of details at the trial.

I never mentioned the dog actually. Apparently it was "old and snappy"

I would give him the benefit of the doubt that perhaps he/she couldn't settle.

But its very true that he tried to sell naked photos days after his sister supposedly shot herself her mum and dad and two six year olds. He also gathered up all the family heirlooms worth anything, paintings and silver, had it piled up for the auctioneer to value, all within a week.

The other books I read were quite obviously biased for or against him, but Carol Anne Lees is very professional (unless youre a diehard supporter)

I think that those who seek to absolve him have never once looked at the impact of what happened to these who were there that night.

Colin Caffels book is hard, very hard to read. Heartbreaking.

He must find the whole circus crass.

Oh aye, it's nearly Christmas, innit. Time for Bamber's annual appeal.

Well he would, wouldn't he?

Apparently someone close to him tweeted on his behalf saying the vet had advised that the dog be put down.

Ah I remember now - he managed his following from prison

I haven’t seen a reference for the selling pictures - do you know where that comes from? Agree if true it’s damming of his character.

I struggle with the later statements by JB about how lovely life was with his parents when there were clearly very difficult things going on. That’s either an attempt to cover up, or someone who sees the past with rose tinted glasses. Another blind alley.

He’s just re-branded himself while in prison as a simple farm boy who loved his family and wasn’t interested in money.

Former friends have described him as loving the high life, he openly hated his parents and their family was very troubled and far from the cosy set up he’d have you believe.

In an interview from prison (Sky doc) he even said, “I’ve never been violent”.

He has been involved in several fights while inside, including attacking a prisoner with a sharp object.

He lies so much even he doesn’t know the truth anymore.

@Allisnotlost1he did try to sell the pictures. He met a journalist to sell them and instead the journalist wrote about him trying to sell them.

ive been watching/listening to as much as I can. Others always mention how much he disliked farming, and yet in his interviews he talks about loving it. Did he work on the farm one day after they died - I’m guessing not.

He has plenty of time to reflect now hes in his sixties how much more sensible he would have been to appreciate the very privileged life he had at the time.

Randomly I wonder in prison how much access he has to the Internet and couid be reading our discussion?!

I didn't realise it was him getting the info about the dog out, of course that makes sense

Where is that info from though? I haven’t seen any named person who said that. No doubt lots of people said this or that but there’s a lot of noise around the case and I’m curious what’s factual.

btw I’m watching the drama and there’s a scene where JB is talking with Colin and expresses his guilt at having left the gun out. Just that there was discussion earlier in the thread about why he wouldn’t feel devastated by that mistake, if it were a mistake. I don’t know how accurate the drama is either but it claims to be based on extensive research and I’d assume Colin would have rebutted if untrue.

@WigglywagglyWanda no internet in prison but supporters could read and tell him about it. Also someone mentioned violence in prison. Honestly prisons are so violent I do g think anyone could survive 40 years with getting involved in some violence, including defending themselves

The journalist in the podcast was practically giddy every time Jeremy rang her- of course this could have been a tactic to ensure his candidness and strike up a rapport for information- but I also got a sense she was quite taken in by him, and flattered that such a high profile prisoner using some of his allotted phone time to call her so frequently. Many of their phone calls are very chatty and intimate in a way. Of course though for any journalist it’s a huge ‘scoop’ to have the main character in your research speak with you directly.

I read there was only one violent incident and that he was defending himself.

I know what you mean but I thought she used that tone with everyone she spoke to, a tactic to make them feel comfortable and to like her enough to keep talking. She did it with some of the police and with the cousins - and it worked for most!