to be fed up of hearing 'I've worked hard for my money'

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Lots of chat on MN recently about taxes on high earners. So heard lots of 'we have this money because we work bloody hard for it' and honestly I'm sick of it and think the people who say it are selfish.

Nurses work incredibly hard, long shifts, difficult job. Carers provide absolutely essential service, again shift work, difficult hours, difficult job. Teachers provide essential work, I know multiple teachers and they all devote evenings, weekends, school holidays to the detriment of their own families. All of these jobs also have huge emotional tolls. So 'I've worked hard for my money' means nothing to me, because a lot of people work a lot harder for a lot less.

Not mostly luck. If I had to put a percent on it I’d say 25-50% luck. A good home, education, cognitive ability, confidence, drive, the right place at the right time, a manager that has liked you etc etc.
I share your recruitment woes.

I do though.
See it daily due to the nature of my occupation.

A few people..

you can’t know what’s going on

your just making huge sweeping judgement s

So do I actually - through my job

I think you’re probably misunderstanding a lot of people who say this. I don’t have a huge salary though it’s above “average wage” for the UK. I hate working, it makes me miserable. But I have to do it to survive.

I recognise there are people earning less than me, and don’t begrudge them a bit of help. But I do begrudge the ones who don’t work at all, or the ones making irresponsible decisions and expecting the taxpayer to pick up the bill. That’s not what benefits are for.

What a daft question. Very obviously, not everyone is capable of getting those jobs. You can't surely think that minimum wage workers are all just thinking 'Wellll.... I've got a great degree and brilliant skills. I'd like to earn a big salary but I can't really be arsed'?

It actually varied over the Soviet period, though what you say was true for a time.

I recall that one of the reasons that doctors weren't paid more was that - for a lengthy period of time, for reasons related to the war - doctors tended to be women. (That was very much the case when I was an exchange student in Soviet Russian in the the early '80s.)

I assumed OP chose those professions as examples we could all relate to as most of us use their services. She didn't say she was in any of them herself! (In fact I see she's actually confirmed what I thought).

She didn't even say those people work harder than everyone else.

Your take on the OP was so negative and, it turns out, wrong.

I'm now going to read on and see if you've apologised...

“Most people who work, work hard”

that part I agree with. However the op’s point is that many high earners feel they’re entitled to moan about tax because “I work hard for my money” - as if other people don’t also work hard for much less.

PMSL.
Are my sweeping judgements different to yours then?
I see it. You don't. Good for you 👏

"Not much chance of the roof caving in on your head while you're at work, is there?"

Clearly the days before PPP

So you're just randomly complaining on behalf of other people?

I’m not sure, my family were solicitors judges and barristers, all sorts of legal roles- paid the professional wage. I can’t recall any medics

My point.

Yes.

ETA I worked in a school where the gym roof blew off three times. Still not as dangerous as working down the pit.

Anyone is allowed to moan. Just as lower earners have the right to complain about low salaries, or to strike or ask for more benefits. We can't ban certain sectors of society from having an opinion.

Im not blinded by my privilege

I will add - I myself have worked skilled and unskilled jobs. There is no comparison.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Quite often the low earners are actually working less hours and coming home with more money. That's a fact.
Shared this story before. I was desperate to promote a part time supervisor I had who was amazing. Worked 16 hours. It would have been (what I thought) was a decent pay rise. Problem was, she was already taking home more money than I was as her full time manager as UC were topping up her wages quite significantly.

There's no incentive to work hard for long hours anymore. There's your issue.

Not only did she take home than me, she had half the week free to enjoy the money.

Loving the idea of a bottom centipede 😆

Does that make people over £100k millipedes?

Teachers and nurses don't think they work harder than anyone else. They (we) just think we work hard and keep people safe, and yet apparently because any sort of caring is "a vocation" that they (we) apparently don't deserve to be well paid for it. Same with child care workers. It astounds me that parents put the lives of their children into the hands of others, and yet don't want to pay them a decent bloody salary for doing so.

I think its wonderfull that parents can have more kids and get more money.

Many teachers and Nurses are now higher tax payers - anything over £50k is….

BandTaxable incomeTax rate
Personal Allowance
Up to £12,570
0%
Basic rate
£12,571 to £50,270
20%
Higher rate
£50,271 to £125,140
40%
Additional rate
over £125,140
45%

There were also anomalies when it came to the allocation of accommodation, I recall.

I was aware of people who had graduated as interpreters and translators receiving employment in their profession, but only specific people were allocated apartments in the city rather than a place in an obshchezhitiye. At the time that I was aware, the differentiating factor wasn't marriage.