Resentment at 100k

[Arseholeneighbours]

Theres a lot of vitriol spilt towards people being “high earners” at 100k and over. As net contributors, and most likely having made sacrifices, stresses and difficult life decisions, there’s many judgements about life choices , expectations and living within one’s means. What is the motivation to push forward in a career and to try and be as successful as one can if there’s no personal gain? It’s all well and good saying those with the broadest shoulders should take on the most - but to what end?

I don't think anyone has been told to shut up, but there is an element of reading the room. We're living in a time where food bank use is on the rise, and people working full-time are unable to afford basics like heat, and period poverty exists.

It's shortsighted to expect to post about struggling on £100k when people working their arses off for a fraction of that wage are having to choose between food or heat and not expect to incite a reaction from them, especially when they're being told it is their own fault, not only that they are struggling but that people earning money they could only dream of are struggling.

They're told constantly to work harder, budget better, and take personal responsibility. The same advice could be applied to higher earners. If a small tax hike is enough to break your finances, then maybe you should take some personal responsibility, live within your means, and learn to budget better. No one is forced to take on private school fees and massive mortgages; they are all choices. Choices that are out of reach for the majority.

Maybe those on £100k plus who are struggling should take in some ironing instead of asking for handouts like free childcare.

Every human has problems and it's in our nature to try to find solutions.

E.g. some people in parts of the world are dying of hunger and lack of water. They will find the complaints about motability etc out of touch.

High earners may have issues too, they may just have landed a good job and now want to pay off debts etc. Extra taxes prevent them from doing that.

This. And a million times this.

People on £100k are the ones funding the things around here. We pay enough tax as it is and now we are being forced to pay even more. In most (but I admit) not every single scenario people should be financially responsible for themselves and take personal responsibility. I totally understand this isn't the case where people are disabled, or have suffered a loss of a partner and need time and support to find a way to back to being self sufficient again. But at some point (if you're not chronically disabled or looking after a disabled relative) you should make a plan to be self sufficient and not rely on the state. At some point you deal with what life gives you and you make the best of it.

People on £100k are funding free childcare for everyone on £99k and below and yet are expected to go without.

That might be fine if we hadn't made housing unaffordable to anyone without parental help in large swathes of the country.

I tend to think that a couple in their early thirties who are working hard in useful jobs (let's imagine a delivery driver and teaching assistant) should be able to have a home and start a family.

And if society decides that it won"t allow them the means to do that by prioritising the interests of existing property owners then it's right that couple should be supported by benefits.

Both of them together would be earning how much? The two incomes combined would be enough to pay rent.

But we have a system set up so that below a certain level of income, it's very hard to take to full responsibility because of the ridiculously high cost of housing (that other things are making a good go of rapidly catching up to). It's not the fault of people on low incomes that they don't earn enough from their employers not to need top ups, when the whole economy is set up in that way. I can't remember the statistic but I'm sure I read that most people claiming some form of benefits are in work.

I would say that if you're healthy. Make your own success, up skill, get a better job. But it's been done to death already in this thread. So I'll leave it at that.

Well that's OK then.

Obviously a couple wanting to start a family don't need a secure home.

So in other words people doing jobs that we'd all agree are vital to society shouldn't expect to have a normal adult life as a result.

And who does the unskilled but totally necessary jobs? And why shouldn’t those people have a normal standard of living wit( a home, heating, food and leisure activities?

Jesus do you have any idea how entitled you sound?

I used to earn a lot more than £100k today's values but I never lost sight of the fact that not everybody is lucky enough to be born with the skills and/or into an upbringing, to enable this.

And that even if they were we would still have the same number of people having to work at mopping floors and bottoms.

People on £100k are funding free childcare for everyone on £99k and below and yet are expected to go without.

Go without what, exactly? Your £50 a head meals out? Your second foreign holiday? An even smarter house?

There IS a problem with unfair off-a-cliff tax breaks. There isn't a problem with people on £100k a year going without.

They don't have to have a kid if they can't afford it? What do you mean by a normal adult life?

This is EXACTLY why the young professionals are fleeing the country. Attitudes like yours.

Go without the government funded childcare that they pay for everyone else. That is what I meant.

No, they are fleeing the country because they can work in lower tax regimes without the threat of even higher taxes hanging over them. They aren't fleeing the country because they been called out about whinging that they are "going without" when it's clear that they aren't.

You can earn a lot of money, you can recognise the unfairness of off-the-cliff taxation changes without also being an entitled, whinging dick who says everyone could earn more of only they tried hard enough.

It is unfair though.

We've been on a couple of foreign holidays already this year and will be going away in over Christmas.

What?

Being taxed more because you earn more? Disagree.

Tax changes at around the £100k mark that make the effective rate of taxation on a pay rise enormous? Agree, it needs changing, it's skewing everything.

No, losing the childcare.

I worry for your self esteem that you feel the need to boast like this, but I suspect you're actually just being a bit of a baiting troll. I do hope you have a lovely time at Christmas.

I personally could afford to fly to a top resort for Christmas skiing but I'm going to Blackpool on a coach because I love mixing with the people who actually keep the country running day to day and being crapped on by seagulls trying to nick my chips 🤣

It is, very unfair, as is losing the tax allowance. It's creating crazy skews in the market, people refusing promotions, people reducing their hours. It should be tapered.

Why, do you not like your house?

Heres that round of applause you ordered 👏🏻👏🏻

I feel shops, cafes etc can be done by students, teens, maybe those who are retired and want some extra cash. Mothers who were sahm and now want to do something.

I feel that people get paid what the economy says the job gets paid and that's that. And then live within your means.

I admit however that the social care system needs a complete change. Caring for the vulnerable unfortunately doesn't pay well.