Resentment at 100k

[Arseholeneighbours]

Theres a lot of vitriol spilt towards people being “high earners” at 100k and over. As net contributors, and most likely having made sacrifices, stresses and difficult life decisions, there’s many judgements about life choices , expectations and living within one’s means. What is the motivation to push forward in a career and to try and be as successful as one can if there’s no personal gain? It’s all well and good saying those with the broadest shoulders should take on the most - but to what end?

Yes, I'm not saying that they don't. And they choose to do so, if not because they care about what they're actually doing, then for some other reason. They are free to make alternative choices as they wish.

Sector. As I said. Some types of employment have more jobs at that level of salary. Some don't have any. And value to society doesn’t determine which sector provides the highest number of £100k plus jobs.

I do think that there’s an element of choice. Nobody falls and lands in an expensive area to live, and goes “what am I doing here?!”

I live in Cheshire, and pay the relevant “Cheshire Tax.” It is more expensive to live here, the housing is more expensive, the council tax is, shopping may not cost more in Tesco but your local shop is more.

But similarly, living here isn’t an accident. Just like living in Surrey isn’t. We have chosen to live here, and chosen to not leave. Cheaper places are available.

Maybe that leaving would have to happen before you start a family and make roots etc, but if you live in a high cost area - it is optional.

So people are free to research those sectors and make moves towards them?

Because they are being selfish.

They have either not experienced poverty or they have but have forgotten. They say they are not rich and don't buy luxuries because they have no idea what an essential is and how lots of people are living.

If you are angry to find out that you will be taking home a little less money and as a result fewer children will be going to bed with empty bellies and fewer adults will be sitting in freezing cold living rooms despite having spent all day at work, then you are selfish and need a reality check.

And what do you think will happen if everyone moves out of nursing, education and social work and into £100k sectors?

After about 18 months of cuts the city authority in the part of the world where I am has begun to recruit again, look at the salaries
⬇️ ❤️ Specialist Rough Sleepers Navigator - £32,597–£35,412 🏊 Centre Attendant (Lifeguard) – Clifton Leisure Centre – £25,583–£26,403 (pro rata) 🎭 Casual Technical Technician – Theatre Royal & Royal Concert Hall – £13.47 per hour 📊 Audit and Risk Trainee – £28,598–£35,412 📅 EEM Reporting and Scheduling Officer – £26,824–£27,694 💡 Assistive Technology Team Leader (NCCHS) – £36,363–£39,152 🧹 Public Realm Operative L2 – Street Cleansing – £25,583–£26,403 💻 IT Desktop Roll Out Engineer – £26,824–£27,694.

Interesting you say that. I live in Cheshire. I lived in Bucks for a while. The cost of living is WAY cheaper here. That's partly why we moved.

This is very blunt but this is exactly what I believe in. We all make our own choices and decisions in life. Instead of looking up at someone who has surpassed you and thinking "I wish I could take their earnings away" look at maybe improving your own situation.

Obviously exemptions apply for disability and or life changing setbacks.

Finance roles regularly pay over £100k – if you have the necessarily qualifications. My husband has been on over £100k with roles such as deputy finance director. He is on £125k as a full finance director. Deputy CFO and CFO is around £145k upwards. We are not in London or south east.

My sister's husband is on over £100k in tech at a 'Big 5' company.

Sales Director jobs are often £100k in London.

Well, yes they are, but thankfully for society, not everyone is motivated by money.

The high earners bemoaning their lot could equally make different choices if they wished. What's stopping them?

Of course most people are motivated by money. This very thread evidences that. Without the higher tax payers you would have no taxes to fund the welfare state so you better hope they don’t step away or move abroad

The same here. I don't think I pay enough tax to be honest.

I've been in the situation when my husband was suddenly taken very seriously ill and we thought he might never work again. You never know when you might need help from society.

Yes. But how does that work out for society? We need the jobs without that ‘motivation’ to be done.
And not everyone is motivated by amassing as much money as possible. I think it must be quite a depressing way to live, always counting what you get and never being satisfied.

I did it backwards, unfortunately.

I grew up in the NE, my last house was in Middlesbrough.

I bought a 3 bed detached for 160k, sold it for 190k. Great. Buying the same house here would be around 300k, minimum.

The CT for that house (band d) was £160 pcm. Here? £210.

I think I see the “Cheshire tax” more because the cost of living went up so dramatically when I moved, because I’m basing what I see as reasonable costs on living in Teesside, and how much definitely cheaper it was there.

Having said that - we chose to move here. We choose to pay the extra. I can live in Middlesbrough for less, know that I can, and do not.

It's astonishing to me - and rather depressing, actually - to contemplate the idea that there are people who assume that money is the only motivator.

I agree. I loved my job and was motivated to do it as well as I possibly could for maximum job satisfaction. As a result I got promotions and my last few roles were pretty senior. I was a higher rate tax payer for over 20 years. Money was never a motivator, what motivated me was making a difference and being valued. I was incredibly fortunate in working for people who had similar motivations.

I think there is a lot of vitriol towards people earning £100k and complaining about the amount they earn and how they miss out on benefits and pay far to much tax

I have absolutely no vitriol towards anyone earning a decent wage, and £100k is just about a decent wage in this day and age - its not incredible but a decent wage to earn.

what I object to is the complaining and moaning, the misrepresenting of how much tax they pay (overall is 39%) and making out they are hard done by

what’s interesting about this thread is that you are getting a lot of people moaning about how much the higher taxpayer gets paid whilst at the same time gladly taking from them

I'm a high earner myself, but I'm not really motivated by the money. I'm happy to pay more tax, personally, because I don't want to live in a society where there is massive inequality.

Everyone is obviously motivated to have enough money to pay for their basic needs. Not all of us care that much about earning loads more than we need.

What a load of bollocks.
Not everyone is rolling in benefits, In the past I've been there as widow with 3 young kids, it was fucking hard, so take that vitruous poor shit to many of the other benefit threads on MN right now and bash there.

I think you are in the minority there

It is a choice, but it doesn't particularly feel like a choice when you are locked into a high mortgage and a school for your kids. Moving home when you don't wish to and pulling children out of their school is absolutely horrid, no matter what you earn. There's a lot of dehumanisation of high earners.

You keep saying this despite numerous posts to the contrary - why?

Did you have support from the government during this time?

Well it’s simple really most people regardless of earnings want to have or make more money to live a better life . I do. It’s not difficult to understand