Can we all take a moment to pray for Thea, living life on the brink of poverty at £6k a month (£3.2k of which is UC).

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In a good month when UC gives full entitlement, Thea has a total of £6,142.00, from £2,800 in take-home pay and £3,342 in universal credit plus child benefit. Her monthly expenses such as childcare, rent, council tax, energy and food etc are usually around £6000. She says: "So it’s living very much on the edge."

And now the cap is removed she will get more!!

From this: Pregnant mum-of-four: 'Budget benefit change saved our Christmas' - The Mirror https://share.google/QGbNeuIKPAmg1qNG5

No wonder people get pissed of with welfare in this country. I work 40 hours plus a week, have children, have to pay a mortgage, childcare and I earn way less than this!!!

No child should live in poverty but at the same time no family should get this muxh in benefits.

Before people say, yes but it's to pay rent and collate, I also have to pay all that and my mortgage is half my wage!!

But looked after their own children. Free childcare is also a benefit.

Labournomics 😂

It's no-one's business how they do or don't manage their family size or budget though, seeing as they're self funded not taxpayer funded.

What do you want to happen to the people you’re looking down on?

I didn't want the two child benefit cap lifted. The people I'm looking down on are Labour.

Looking down on?

Im not looking up at or down at anyone, but I expect people to take more personal responsibility for their actions.

I’m glad it’s lifted. I don’t vote Labour btw.

And what if they don’t?

So they don’t claim free childcare?

Then they are going to have to bear the consequences of their actions!

Exactly. Next we’ll be hearing about single jobless people and how we have to bring them out of poverty etc. when poverty is a statistical measure, someone is always pretty much living in poverty.

Which will be?

I don’t think you need help in understanding what the consequences of spending more than you can afford are…..?!

Not if their household income is above the threshold, no.

Is that what they’re doing? So it’s their spending that’s annoying you rather than their income?

And that’s what all the threads have been about. Them asking for ways to get around the threshold!

I used the term spending beyond their means to mean that they make choices that are not economically viable.

Maybe you should as you sound unhappy here?

I just can’t stand bad manners. Same as you can’t stand misfortune.

Poor deflection. I haven't been rude to you. But it's fine if you haven't got an answer.

But we have now established that the threshold is also the poverty line ! It can't be a "super wealthy" threshold and simultaneously the poverty line.

So clearly the threshold needs moving significantly. I would say to £200k minimum

"A family with three children that has at least one parent claiming the average rates of Universal Credit (UC), combined with other benefits, will receive up to £46,000 by next year, according to the Centre for Social Justice (CSJ).
That compares with the £28,000 take-home earnings of a family where one adult is working full-time, and another part-time, on the national living wage."

Yes you have. The word you missed out was “please”.

Where are all your "pleases"? Good grief. You're stumped. You don't have a good response. Own it, learn from it.

Where did you get that from? If someone claims free childcare and moans when they can’t then they’re hardly self sufficient are they?

Its called “greed”, not poverty.