Am I the only one that thinks that the budget is good?!

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NC’d for obvious reasons.

I mean it seems that they’re trying to help the working class?

I am not on benefits. I’m also not lucky enough to live in a property worth over £2,000,000. But surely the worst off in society will be better off under this? With the energy bill cut and two child benefit scrap? Also books for libraries, national wage increases. I do understand people feeling frustrated at the pension/ISA parts, that will probably affect DH and I but overall I’m pleased as the worst off will be slightly less worse off?

By 'working class' you do mean the not-working class, right?

People who actually work for a living have been shat on.

Children shouldn’t suffer from the circumstances of their parents. And it is ridiculous to think that people have children in order to benefit from benefits.

It won’t help many WORKING class. It will help the non working. It doesn’t encourage ambition or reward those who work all hours to better themselves.

This text is ridiculous and wrong.

I haven't had chance to look at it properly but I am glad the two child cap on Universal Credit has gone. It feels immoral to have had such a draconian policy that cruelly punished children for the misfortune of either being born into poverty or their parents falling into poverty through circumstance. Even those people who really do believe anyone claiming UC with 3 children must be lazy/stupid/feckless and have 'chosen' a life of poverty etc, how can they justify punishing children for their parents decisions. Those children do not deserve to go hungry or cold anymore than any other child.

Those moaning it will encourage people to have more babies- I doubt it will have any significant impact- but let's not forget we have a declining population growth- that can cause serious economic and social problems (top heavy ageing population, fewer working age tax payers, fewer workers filling care vacancies), immigration can be a solution to this but as that's such contentious subject you would think people wouldn't moan so much about the possibility of a few more babies.

Lastly- it does irritate me when people mistake this "two child benifits cap" with "Child Benifit" - it says to me that people just can't be arsed to do their research/get their news from headlines, yes it is misleading the way it is refered to- but actually read about it and it is very clear it is/was a cap on Universal Credit for more than 2 children. There are people IN work who claim UC because of low wages, and being as UC replaced a variety of previous benefits I would imagine there are a whole range of reasons/circumstances a person might need to claim in.

I agree. It was so badly publicised as child benefit. Which was not affected at all and is for all children. So many misunderstood that including myself. But families need supported. I am very glad that the 2 child cap on universal credit is gone. It gives me back some faith in labour. I had and have lost faith in labour. This budget is going some way towards restoring it.

They are only just starting going back in right direction.

I've never understood this sentiment.

OF COURSE children suffer from the circumstances of their parents. That is actually the nature of being a child. Having to live with the parents who may be abusive, or stupid, or demanding, or whatever it is the parents are.

All of us have to put up with our parents, their worldviews, their circumstances, their decisions, until we're old enough to escape from the fuckers.

How on Earth does anyone get round that?

Yes, you are in the tiny minority. Even on here, the most left wing site possible.

This.

"Good"??!" It is absolutely crap. Nothing good about it. I am on the side that pays. Labour is buying votes with my money. It is socialism and even that is executed badly by this joke government! There is now 0 incentive for me to put in extra work. Why should I go for that promotion and earn more money? So I can pay for kid 3,4 and 5 of some random who will raise another generation of welfare consumers? If you think this is designed to "get kids out of poverty because they should not pay for their parents' mistakes/ life choices" you are deluded. What
should people plan to be financially responsible for?

Are you feeling ok?? Where are these people having all these kids in order to deprive you of money. Are they taking over from the Syrians etc. coming in to take you jobs homes and money? Bogey men that do not exist. Inflame people to do things they should not do. I feel it was a good budget. I don’t benefit from it but i think it was balanced.

Evertime i say what i think about it i get quoted and called something.

So i am now going to agree with you its WONDERFUL have more kids get more benefits.

1. i dont have to look after them i just had to payments.
2. when people have a lot of kids because you get more money the budget will change again, And there will be plenty of familys with plenty of kids to feed.

I think it's a start. I'd like to see them go further. Only the Greens are really serious about taxing wealth rather than income from work, but this HAS to be the way forward. I say this as someone who is now paying VAT on school fees and will be hit by the mansion tax.

Perhaps I'm naive, but I've always assumed that if you're rich enough to do things like own £2m+ houses and pay to privately educate your kids, you thank your lucky stars and cast your vote in a way that benefits those who are struggling. I'm pretty outraged when I hear about people in my position voting in their own self interest when they are already so comfortable. Yet I know I will be biting my tongue at the school gates tomorrow, listening to wealthy parents moan about Labour. We're not so rich that we don't feel the impact of VAT on the fees etc - but I would vote for the redistribution of wealth and rebuilding of public services every single time.

We've earned every penny through hard work. No lottery win. Gifted nothing. No inheritance. No parental help. I was the first generation of my family to go to university. We are massive net contributors to the system and have been for years. I'm sure this sounds like a massive brag, but I'm laying it out to demonstrate that we tick every box that people on here point to when they try to defend their position on lower taxes.

In fact, all that's happened is we've been very lucky: our skills align with things the market values; we haven't been hit by illness or disability or anything else that has thrown us off track; we are just about old enough to have bought our first flat by squirrelling money away - something that became impossible only a few years later. We are bloody golden compared to younger generations coming through now. And when I think about what nurses and teachers and paramedics are doing at work, I can't really claim that what I do is "worth" more, however hard I've worked at it. So of course we should shoulder more. Please Labour - have the guts to tax the shit out of us - because the country is broken and it isn't fair.

True enough

@ProcrastinatorsAnonymous if you want a guy who used to hypnotise women in order to increase their breast size as PM I’d suggest you might want to do a bit more research.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zack-polanski-green-party-hypnotherapy-b2819071.html

this was a good budget. A start. There is so much inequality in this country. Removing 2 child benefit cap is a start. Those people saying OMG wasteful poor people will have more kids - they are ridiculous. The actual wastage in this country is the appalling corruption at the top. The ppe contracts to friends of the government etc. this was a good budget. And a start.

Same here. Yes we'll pay more tax as a family but I'd like to live in a fair country not a polarised rich/poor one and will do my bit.

Labour. Used to be the party of the working class, now the party of the benefits class.

I don’t actually agree with that.

No. Am feeling rather angry. I am lucky enough to be ok...I also worked damn hard to be this lucky and made uncomfortable choices when needed. I feel this budget is making a mockery of all the people that did the same. There were other options to claw money and there were better options to spend it than lifting benefit caps. It is balanced in the sense that Robin Hood was balanced

Can you elaborate?

@ProcrastinatorsAnonymous Instead of waiting for a government to 'tax the shit' out of you, why not give that money to the teachers/nurses etc you feel deserve it. Redistribute that excess wealth you have and target it, where you think it should go. You are the only person stopping you from doing that - you don't need a government to make that decision for you.

You know like details? I mean the thing everyone has leaped onto is the lifting of the 2 child benefit cap. It’s really quite minor in great scheme of things and also will hopefully help some children. Is there something else? Am i missing something that is making you so angry?

YANBU.

Media has convinced the masses that giving crumbs to the poor is taking food off their plate.