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How does the budget affect you

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Isseywith2witchycats · 26/11/2025 15:36

Our circumstances both 70 so incoming to house hold 2 state pensions partner one private pension of 16000 per year so he pays tax on this, the rise in state pension means he will pay more tax on his private pension, due to redundancy and pension draw down we are mortgage free on a small 2 bed semi up north, I for one don't resent this as hopefully families struggling will be better off and while we are far from rich we are comfortable , when both of us were working income due to his job was combined salaries of net 56000 now 36000 which is why we downsized to a small house

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AnneShirleyBlythe · 26/11/2025 20:43

caringcarer · 26/11/2025 18:32

I feel sorry for the teachers, nurses and others caught out in fiscal drag due to RR freezing tax thresholds once again. If I was still teaching I'd have reduced my hours back to 4 days a week to avoid going into higher tax band. I'm sure many teachers and nurses will do this, then RR will have created an even bigger teacher shortage.

I work 80% in the NHS & now DC are older I considered going back to FT but what’s the point if it puts me into higher tax bracket ( which is at a lower salary here in Scotland).

edwinbear · 26/11/2025 20:48

Glennponder · 26/11/2025 20:20

Salary sacrifice not coming in until 2029?

Correct. It doesn’t come in until 2029 and the OBR predictions are that the tax take from it will ‘only’ be £2.6bn by then as it’s likely a work around will be found. Gilt yields actually fell today because the Treasury announced they will be issuing more gilts than previously expected - i.e the Government will actually need to borrow more, because their big tax takes are being delayed for years.

AntikytheraMech · 26/11/2025 20:50

DH and I earn relatively good money and are planning for the future having only started pensions about five or six years ago.
We can live on the income that we don't receive that is put into additional voluntary contributions into each of our own pensions.
So currently we both put 30,000 pounds a year into our respective pensions.
As we both work in contracting, via an umbrella company each, then then from the daily rate we both have to apply employers national insurance, employees national insurance, p a y e and a couple of other small charges each.
The addition of employer and employee national insurance will have a huge impact totaling around 13,000 pounds a year additional burden that will not go towards the long-term future savings.
Yes we're lucky to both be earning 60k Plus and to be able to afford to live on half of that after p a y e tax and employee national insurance but I see little points in working and contributing towards a pension when 20% automatically disappears up the wall to be invested in the future.
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Workings are shown below but I appreciate we can probably afford it to help other people.

Overall Additional Burden on the Couple Following the Implementation of Budget Changes

In the specified scenario, each partner operates through an umbrella company billing £220 per day over 260 working days, resulting in a gross annual contract value of £57,200 per person (£114,400 combined). Of this, £30,000 per person is allocated to additional voluntary pension contributions via salary sacrifice, with the remaining £27,200 treated as taxable salary. The Autumn Budget 2024 measures, effective from 6 April 2025, increase the employer Class 1 National Insurance Contributions (NICs) rate to 15% (from 13.8%) and reduce the secondary threshold to £5,000 (from £9,100). The Autumn Budget 2025 introduces a £2,000 cap on NIC relief for salary sacrifice pensions, effective from 6 April 2029, rendering contributions above this threshold subject to both employee and employer NICs.

The additional burden represents the incremental NIC liability imposed on the couple, which reduces their collective net position (take-home pay and pension efficiency). This is calculated as the difference between pre-reform (2024/25 rates, full NIC relief on pensions) and post-reform positions, using 2025/26 NIC rates as the baseline for consistency. Employee NICs are 8% on earnings between £12,570 and £50,270, and 2% above; employer NICs are 15% above £5,000. Income tax relief on the full £30,000 pension contribution persists unchanged, and other factors (e.g., umbrella margins, auto-enrolment) are excluded for focus on NIC impacts.

Pre-Reform Position (2024/25: Full Pension Relief, No 2025 Changes)

  • *Taxable salary per person*: £27,200.
  • *Employee NIC per person*: 8% × (£27,200 – £12,570) = £1,170.
  • *Employer NIC per person*: 13.8% × (£27,200 – £9,100) = £2,498.
  • *Total NIC per person*: £3,668.
  • *Couple total NIC*: £7,336.
  • *Net position per person*: £27,200 salary – £1,170 employee NIC = £26,030 take-home; £30,000 pension (tax-relieved).
  • *Couple net position*: £52,060 take-home; £60,000 pension.

Post-2025 Employer NIC Reforms (Full Pension Relief Retained)

  • *Taxable salary per person*: £27,200 (unchanged).
  • *Employee NIC per person*: £1,170 (unchanged).
  • *Employer NIC per person*: 15% × (£27,200 – £5,000) = £3,330.
  • *Total NIC per person*: £4,500.
  • *Couple total NIC*: £9,000.
  • *Additional burden from 2025 reforms*: £1,664 combined (£832 per person, all employer NIC).
  • *Net position per person*: £26,030 take-home; £30,000 pension (but employer costs reduce umbrella margins, potentially lowering future distributions).
  • *Couple net position*: £52,060 take-home; £60,000 pension (adjusted for higher employer costs).

Full Post-Reform Position (Incorporating 2029 Pension Cap)

  • *Taxable salary per person*: £55,200 (£27,200 + £28,000 from pension).
  • *Employee NIC per person*: 8% × (£50,270 – £12,570) + 2% × (£55,200 – £50,270) = £3,016 + £99 = £3,115.
  • *Employer NIC per person*: 15% × (£55,200 – £5,000) = £7,530.
  • *Total NIC per person*: £10,645.
  • *Couple total NIC*: £21,290.
  • *Net position per person*: £55,200 – £3,115 = £52,085 take-home; £30,000 pension (tax-relieved, but £2,000 NIC-exempt).
  • *Couple net position*: £104,170 take-home; £60,000 pension.

Summary of Additional Burden

The cumulative additional NIC burden, relative to the pre-reform baseline, totals £13,954 annually for the couple once all changes are in effect (from 2029 onward). This comprises £3,890 in employee NIC (£1,945 per person, directly reducing take-home pay) and £10,064 in employer NIC (£5,032 per person, potentially passed on via reduced net payments from the umbrella company). The burden is funded from the fixed £114,400 gross contract value, eroding the historical NIC savings on pensions (£14,100 combined pre-reform).

| Component | Per Person (£) | Couple (£) |
|------|----|--|
| 2025 Employer Reforms | 832 (employer) | 1,664 |
| 2029 Pension Cap | 6,145 (3,115 total increase) | 12,290 |
| Cumulative Total | 6,977 | 13,954 |

This represents a 190% increase in total NIC liability for the couple compared to the pre-reform position, primarily due to the loss of NIC exemptions on £28,000 of pension contributions per person. The employer portion may necessitate adjustments to the £220 daily rate (e.g., an uplift of approximately £27 per day combined to offset fully), while the employee portion directly diminishes take-home pay by £3,890 annually from 2029. These measures are projected to generate £25 billion from 2025 employer reforms and £4.7 billion from the 2029 cap government-wide, but they reduce the attractiveness of salary sacrifice in umbrella arrangements.

For personalized projections, including potential mitigations such as contribution adjustments or rate negotiations, consultation with a tax advisor is recommended.

Mumsknot · 26/11/2025 20:55

I will lose out on the pension salary sacrifice and the EV mileage thing.

My house is band G and tbh I only have a large house because Dp lives with me and we have 6 kids between us and ds is a SN adult who will probably always live with us and needs space. I might have contemplated staying in it when I retire but will likely sell to reduce the costs and find a smaller place before 2029 comes around.

I was a single parent when my kids were young and didn’t get CB for as long as I should as I earned too much (over £50k at the time) but being a lone parent in London I always felt that it was v unfair!

I don’t mind paying a bit more tax if I felt it was being spent properly but I just don’t think it is.

User1786 · 26/11/2025 20:56

Don’t think it will make any difference to us. Using Sky’s Calculator we will be £80.60 better off next year purely on child benefit. Nothing else makes any difference. I hope the budget will lead to the mortgage rates dropping as that could make a big difference

EveningSpread · 26/11/2025 21:01

It mostly doesn’t affect me.

We have a band A house, one child, don’t own a car, can’t save more than £12000 a year in ISAs, and neither of us earn enough to make salary sacrifice into a pension attractive.

The frozen train fares are good news for us though as we get a lot of trains.

CraftyGin · 26/11/2025 21:03

We are mostly affected by the impact on the stock markets, and therefore pension pots. We are retired but below state pension age.

Putting our details into the various calculators provided by newspapers, we will be about £800 worse off.

However, we have five adult children, so the budget affects them more - for now, and the future. One has already moved abroad for work.

I am not a naval gazer and only worry about myself as to the budget impact. I think it is totally wrong to penalise entrepreneurs, middle class work force, to benefit the workshy. This does the country no good at all. It will get us into the so called doom spiral. I remember Denis Healey in the 70s.

AntikytheraMech · 26/11/2025 21:05

I double checked the maths and the take-home pay on a couple earning almost 60,000 pounds each on a contract is not brilliant.
With no sick pay, no holiday pay, no life cover, etc etc.
Summary of Additional Burden and Net Impact
The reforms impose a cumulative additional burden of £13,954 annually for the couple (£6,977 per person), manifesting as reduced take-home pay rather than an artificial increase. Specifically:
Post-2025: Take-home unchanged at £46,208, but £1,664 higher employer NIC reduces the net pool.
Post-2029: Take-home falls by £10,844 to £35,364, driven by £6,270 additional PAYE/employee NIC (lower salary base) and the full employer NIC exposure on £28,000 of pension contributions.
Overall change: -£10,844 in take-home pay (-23.5%), with pension unchanged at £60,000. Total net benefit declines by £10,844 (from £106,208 pre-reform), aligning with the NIC increases projected to raise £25 billion (2025 reforms) and £4.7 billion (2029 cap) government-wide.

AntikytheraMech · 26/11/2025 21:10

TL;DR
Combined Couple Take-Home Pay (Cash in Hand After All Taxes & NICs)
Combined Take-Home Pay (Cash)
Period
Change vs. Today
Today / Current (2025/26 tax year)
£46,208 per year

After all regulations fully in force (from April 2029)
£35,364 per year
−£10,844 per year (−23.5%)
These figures are the actual cash the couple take home each year after:
PAYE income tax
Employee National Insurance
Employer National Insurance (paid by the umbrella company out of the £114,400 gross billing)
Maintaining exactly the same £30,000 + £30,000 = £60,000 pension contributions
The entire £10,844 annual drop is caused by the two Budget changes:
2025 employer NIC increase → accounts for ~£1,664 of the hit (already in force today)
2029 salary-sacrifice NIC cap (the £2,000 relief limit) → accounts for the remaining ~£9,180
So in cash terms, the couple will be £10,844 worse off per year once the final pension NIC cap takes effect in April 2029, assuming the daily rate stays at £220 × 260 days and they continue contributing £30,000 each to their pensions.

Goldwren1923 · 26/11/2025 21:20

BeWellJ · 26/11/2025 16:17

We'll be affected by the mansion tax, income tax freeze, loss of salary sacrifice on pension contributions, higher taxes on savings. But hallelujah they dumped the idea of employers NICs for self-employed partners in an LLP- everything else is insignificant compared to that.

There is no loss of salary sacrifice on pension contributions

they reduced the threshold for NI exemption
income tax saving on salary sacrifice for pension is not affected

Goldwren1923 · 26/11/2025 21:22

stackhead · 26/11/2025 16:43

The salary sacrifice limit for pensions has really pissed me off. Stupid, stupid, stupid new tax.

Otherwise EV mileage charge tax thing is new.

Nothing else massively affects me personally. I wasn't particularly inspired by her speech though and clearly I'm not a demographic that the government particularly gives a shit about, so super looking forward to the next 3 budgets.

It’s not the limit for salary sacrifice

only for NI saving
income tax saving remains
no biggie

boysmuminherts · 26/11/2025 21:23

Era · 26/11/2025 16:10

We have a house which is in band F and so will be reevaluated because of the mansion tax. I suspect it will go up to G or H (although it won't be hit by the mansion tax) So we will pay more council tax.

We have an EV so will pay the mileage tax which is bizarre when they are currently giving grants to buy EVs

We will be affected by the freezing of the tax bands since I am close the cusp of one.

DH's business runs a salary sacrifice pension scheme for its employees so the company will have a higher NI bill.

We are likely to be hit by the extra tax on savings.

We will be affected by the ISA changes.

Mansion tax in a Band F home?

Goldwren1923 · 26/11/2025 21:24

ThePolarEspresso · 26/11/2025 20:03

They lied, in the manifesto, they delivered the opposite.

I don't think many realised this would happen. Some saw it coming and we warned people.

My adult child voted for them also and pays more attention to my advice now, where as they often dismissed me previously, a hard lesson, none of us wanted learned.

Edited

That’s total bullshit

what taxes have they raised for working people? None

im saying this as a higher rate taxpayer

ghostiewhisp · 26/11/2025 21:25

No real change for me. Single, no children, earn 28k ish

tightfit · 26/11/2025 21:28

OnlyTheBravest · 26/11/2025 17:18

For me it is not so much the financial but the emotional affect.

I am so tired of working to fund people's wants and not their needs whilst being told that you should suck it up and say nothing.

The only thing this budget has done for me is to ensure that I continue to quietly quit and has made me resolve to continue with my plan to partial retire and then fully retire even earlier and divvy up my assets to my children ASAP, so we all get a chance to enjoy life and not just exist whilst having to work increasing amounts of hours to just stay comfortable.

This! No point in saving for anything, just spend all your money and rely on the state!

winter8090 · 26/11/2025 21:38

After 20 years of paying to bring up my own kids I now get to pay to bring up someone elses.

peanutbuttertoasty · 26/11/2025 21:49

Spectre8 · 26/11/2025 18:14

As a single childfree person, just another year another drop in what I take home...every meagre payrise swallowed up by council tax increases, Thames Water increase and fiscal drag of threshold being frozen. Its like a yearly payout for me.

Concerned about pay per mile...it will eventually hit all cars...sigh

There has never been a budget that has ever helped people like me, never will e just hand over more of my money to pay for other people's lifestyle choices.

The cap on ISA is annoying I wanted to save as much as I could to pay for my own care later

There already is pay per mile…it’s called fuel, surely??

peanutbuttertoasty · 26/11/2025 21:49

tightfit · 26/11/2025 21:28

This! No point in saving for anything, just spend all your money and rely on the state!

Seems to be what they want. You will own nothing and be happy.

XenoBitch · 27/11/2025 02:23

I am on UC, and in a Band B house. The budget had no impact on me.

SeriaMau · 27/11/2025 02:30

Rewritten as:

We’re both 70 now, with two state pensions coming into the household and my partner receiving a private pension of £16,000 a year, which he pays tax on. The increase in the state pension means he’ll end up paying more tax on his private pension.

Because of redundancy and drawing down some pension savings, we’ve been able to pay off our mortgage and now live in a small two-bed semi in the North. I don’t resent any of this—if it means struggling families are better off, that’s a good thing. We’re not wealthy, but we’re comfortable.

When we were both working, our combined net income was £56,000. Now it’s around £36,000, which is why we chose to downsize to a smaller home.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 27/11/2025 02:37

It will affect everybody who goes in a pub, cafe, garden centre or uses a nursery ... 8% increase on NMW for 18-21 year olds means any business heavily reliant on these workers will have to increase prices. So it will affect you, even if you think it will not.

£120 for 1.5p per mile for hybrid travel. Very annoying when we already pay super car tax and are trying to be environmentally friendly.

XenoBitch · 27/11/2025 02:40

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 27/11/2025 02:37

It will affect everybody who goes in a pub, cafe, garden centre or uses a nursery ... 8% increase on NMW for 18-21 year olds means any business heavily reliant on these workers will have to increase prices. So it will affect you, even if you think it will not.

£120 for 1.5p per mile for hybrid travel. Very annoying when we already pay super car tax and are trying to be environmentally friendly.

That is a good point. Price increases effect everyone.

Friendlygingercat · 27/11/2025 02:40

Im on my state and private pension and am also self employed running a couple of online shops. I will be affected by fiscal drag so I will increase my prices to my customers. I will also boost my tax deductable business exenses to the absolute max I can get way with and pass part of the increase back to the tax man. Im not working to subsidise benefit street.