Middle earners punished

[Eucalyptus321]

I am feeling so disheartened and frustrated by how middle earners are constantly suffering at the hands of ridiculous government priorities. My husband and I have a greater household income than other families we know but have less cash in hand due to increased taxes coupled with the fact we receive zero benefits like child benefit or tax free childcare etc. ZERO. If they want middle earners to fund the country thought tax then at least support us with childcare costs. It’s a joke that two parents earning £99k each get childcare funding but parents with one £101k salary and one £25k salary receive nothing. I just need to speak to people who understand the burden of raising a family amidst the current financial climate and then the potential of further tax rises!

Income tax was originally started to fund wars and Britain was in a lot of them!

If you can’t afford children, use contraception or the withdrawal method.

Just a thought.

Labour care far more about subduing their backbenchers than doing anything at all to control spending. Contemptible liars.

Labour VAT raid to raise more than expected

"Labour’s private school VAT raid is on track to raise more revenue than forecast after schools burdened middle-class families with higher fee rises than expected."

The previous poster is on a public sector pension. Thus protected. Point proven.

Why though? Studies show that keeping it in place puts children in poverty and impacts their life chances. Is that really what people want. You can say the parents are feckless or that they shouldn't have had children, but again, not the child's fault is it? In an ideal world people wouldn't need means tested benefits but they do, and often through no fault of their own

I don’t wish to fund other people’s poor lifestyle choices or lack of family planning.

lifting the two child benefit cap is also bad for productivity as well as it will disincentivise working!

Agree

Studies show that investing in sure start instead provides 5 x more benefit per £ invested, that’s why.

Then give them other kind of support I.e. at schools or food vouchers, free school uniforms etc. anything but giving away free money to lifestyle benefit cheats

You don't get extra money for carers allowance if you care for more than one person.

Carers allowance is also deducted from UC.

Labour are basically the party for benefits.

How many of the promised 6.5k teachers have been recruited?

Totally. None of that money will benefits the kids. We'll still hear about the same number of kids in poverty next year. The feckless parents will spend it at the bookies and the off licence.

Yes.

They want to create a welfare state.

I don't disagree with you.

I think there should be an incentive for working and certainly I don't think someone having worked 16 hours or less for the entirety of their career should get the full state pension.

I also think that lots of benefits e.g. the energy £300 (can't remember name), attendance allowance etc should be means tested.

With AI/digital, the amount of work required to establish whether over a certain threshold of earnings should not be significant.

I also think that we have a HUGE issue with a hidden economy where people are working on the black market and never paying any tax or very little. We need ID cards (or digital IDs) to be able to track these.

It is. I see where the money goes in deprived communities - every day. The lifting of the cap is to pull children out of poverty academically. It will do nothing in reality. Just more money for drugs and booze. Socialists can pat themselves on the back and say well done. It will make zero difference. If they were really serious, they’d give the money to schools or community hubs.

It’s the cash handout basis of all benefits for long term unemployed adults that the issue. If you stopped giving cash handouts for PIP and instead provided therapy / equipment and other medical goods and services the claim rates would plummet. People are seeking ways to avoid working. Cash benefits foot the bill.

Oh brilliant news, thanks!

No because their constituents want the cold hard cash for themselves.

As you say.

Do people really want to see children - who didn’t ask to be born - begging in the streets and scavenging for food? This happens in many countries. It’s always been thought of as wrong. But many here seem to be advocating for this eventuality. It’s sad. The UK used to be about community and society and now it’s been sucked into the American ‘me me me’ mentality.

There will be some big winners. And very many more losers. Which many on this thread will experience when they lose a job or their industry goes bust due to AI. All of a sudden your ‘studying’ and ‘working’ might amount to nothing. And I’ll bet you want some help then.

People certainly wanted the hand outs during Covid didnt they - furlough anyone?

Rather maintaining one…

You realise state schools won’t see a penny, right?

You mean the 7% of parents of school age children who choose to be affected by that particular tax. Nobody in the country is paying a bigger percentage of their income in tax via PAYE, that’s the vast majority not just me. Maybe stop making it personal and address the facts?

Only 3 more years of pain and Reform will be here to reduce our taxes