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Middle earners punished

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Eucalyptus321 · 25/11/2025 21:18

I am feeling so disheartened and frustrated by how middle earners are constantly suffering at the hands of ridiculous government priorities. My husband and I have a greater household income than other families we know but have less cash in hand due to increased taxes coupled with the fact we receive zero benefits like child benefit or tax free childcare etc. ZERO. If they want middle earners to fund the country thought tax then at least support us with childcare costs. It’s a joke that two parents earning £99k each get childcare funding but parents with one £101k salary and one £25k salary receive nothing. I just need to speak to people who understand the burden of raising a family amidst the current financial climate and then the potential of further tax rises!

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Cyclebabble · 27/11/2025 11:37

localnotail · 27/11/2025 08:37

In any event, when you are paying higher tax - aren't you only paying higher tax on the bit above the bracket? So its not as dramatic as all that.

If I went, say, from 40 to 70k I would still be better off, even now. I'd love that. (I'm not on 40k btw, its just an example).

Thanks. Allowances and tax levels are frozen for the next three years. That means that once you get to the 40% tax band, any increases you get, however modest will attract 40%, plus NI as well. So that means that the many people who get pulled into this level of tax will find that on a modest 4% increase perhaps 20-30% of their income will be taxed at 40% by the end of year three. That is not inconsiderable. Moreover, in my view it is immoral that for many very normal people, a portion of their income is taxed at 50% taking into account NI and income tax. I have seen no action whatsoever to constrain welfare spending. 13.4% of under 25s are not working or on training courses. The sickness benefit claims for the under 25s group are also at a record high. I do not believe that as a nation we are getting sicker.

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 11:42

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 10:15

The country voted for Brexit. The PPE thing was rightly fraud though. But do you not think in a time of national emergency ministers would use their contacts to try and procure material?

The NCA is investigating

One MP has been sentenced from Reform for taking bribery money from Putin. Putin was involved in Brexit. They frauded the country. Farage is good friends with Trump and Trump is good friends Putin.

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 11:53

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 11:42

One MP has been sentenced from Reform for taking bribery money from Putin. Putin was involved in Brexit. They frauded the country. Farage is good friends with Trump and Trump is good friends Putin.

I don't think he was an MP. A former MEP.

Brexit could have been negotiated very differently. But I know someone who actually did benefit from it.

chipsticksmammy · 27/11/2025 12:35

AlltheHedgehogsontheWall · 26/11/2025 17:41

The only thing you lose at £100k is the tax free childcare, and the funded hours. Tax-free childcare is a maximum of £2000 a year, or £8k if you add up the 4 years between mat leave ending and school starting. Less if you have a summer born.

Every family I know with someone earning £100k has a nanny anyway, and nannies don't count for the tax free childcare. The funded hours (aside from the fact they're not actually free) usually come with all kinds of conditions which essentially requires parents who can structure their lives around those conditions, which aren't usually compatible with a £100k job.

Unless one parent is a stay at home parent, in which case, they wouldn't be eligible for it anyway.

Who's affording a nanny on 100k?

You're living in a dream world.

Beddiem · 27/11/2025 12:37

chipsticksmammy · 27/11/2025 12:35

Who's affording a nanny on 100k?

You're living in a dream world.

Exactly. Another person who assumed £100k = rolling in it!

Snakebite61 · 27/11/2025 12:38

Eucalyptus321 · 25/11/2025 21:18

I am feeling so disheartened and frustrated by how middle earners are constantly suffering at the hands of ridiculous government priorities. My husband and I have a greater household income than other families we know but have less cash in hand due to increased taxes coupled with the fact we receive zero benefits like child benefit or tax free childcare etc. ZERO. If they want middle earners to fund the country thought tax then at least support us with childcare costs. It’s a joke that two parents earning £99k each get childcare funding but parents with one £101k salary and one £25k salary receive nothing. I just need to speak to people who understand the burden of raising a family amidst the current financial climate and then the potential of further tax rises!

My heart bleeds......not.

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 12:40

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 11:53

I don't think he was an MP. A former MEP.

Brexit could have been negotiated very differently. But I know someone who actually did benefit from it.

It should never have happened. What we are going through since Brexiy was complete is a lot of shit.

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 12:49

We are at the back of the queue in the EU and America. The commonwealth don't want to know and China doesn't trust us. What a fantastic idea let's all leave Europe we can do it. Our economy has shrunk and the monarchy that people love so much and are patriotic about have had to downsize.

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 13:30

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 12:49

We are at the back of the queue in the EU and America. The commonwealth don't want to know and China doesn't trust us. What a fantastic idea let's all leave Europe we can do it. Our economy has shrunk and the monarchy that people love so much and are patriotic about have had to downsize.

The monarchy feeling some discomfort is not something I knew about. I’m an ardent remainer, brexit was one of the worst ideas this country has ever had and it was fuelled by racism, but I’m touched to know the monarchy has suffered.

the sooner they are in the bin the better

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 13:35

If Brexit was so racist why did immigration increase after Brexit? Less EU immigration, more from the rest of the world.

PigletJohn · 27/11/2025 13:38

ByWisePanda · 27/11/2025 12:49

We are at the back of the queue in the EU and America. The commonwealth don't want to know and China doesn't trust us. What a fantastic idea let's all leave Europe we can do it. Our economy has shrunk and the monarchy that people love so much and are patriotic about have had to downsize.

Charles has long had the ambition of pruning out the spongers and hangers-on.

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 13:58

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 13:35

If Brexit was so racist why did immigration increase after Brexit? Less EU immigration, more from the rest of the world.

Didn’t you see the buses? So much rhetoric on brexit was ‘taking control of our borders’ and who spear headed it? Oh yeah farage who is, say it with me now, a racist

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 14:41

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 13:58

Didn’t you see the buses? So much rhetoric on brexit was ‘taking control of our borders’ and who spear headed it? Oh yeah farage who is, say it with me now, a racist

We took control (which is perfectly fine and normal to do so) and we decided who we let in. Everyone outside the UK (and Ireland) gets treated fairly and equally. The Frenchman is treated as fairly and equally as an Indian, Sri Lanka or someoek from Japan.

Farage may or may not have said things in his youth. But if you look at statements made in adult life he's often praised Indian migrants for being hard working. Immigration went UP after Brexit. All we need is for the UK and EU to agree to free-(er) trade.

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 14:50

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 14:41

We took control (which is perfectly fine and normal to do so) and we decided who we let in. Everyone outside the UK (and Ireland) gets treated fairly and equally. The Frenchman is treated as fairly and equally as an Indian, Sri Lanka or someoek from Japan.

Farage may or may not have said things in his youth. But if you look at statements made in adult life he's often praised Indian migrants for being hard working. Immigration went UP after Brexit. All we need is for the UK and EU to agree to free-(er) trade.

Pahahahahaah…. He may or may not have said things? And he praised Indian workers… what a hero, you’re right that totally makes him not a racist. Good god!

have we taken control of our borders? You sure? Then what’s this hysteria about small boats?

OonaStubbs · 27/11/2025 15:06

The government needs to look at ways to stop people having children that they can't afford. This is the main reason that the benefits bill is so high.

whataguddle · 27/11/2025 15:25

They need to raise the personal tax allowance and the thresholds …the tax is too high on workers.

Instead they’ve frozen them for 3 years …they are not for the working person anything but.

I hope Labour are binned off sooner rather than later. They shouldn’t have lifted the 2 child cap …

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 15:27

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 14:50

Pahahahahaah…. He may or may not have said things? And he praised Indian workers… what a hero, you’re right that totally makes him not a racist. Good god!

have we taken control of our borders? You sure? Then what’s this hysteria about small boats?

He's often praised Indian migrants and say that those raised in a Hindu household work hard, are driven and tend to do successful in UK society.

Before Brexit we let anyone come in from Europe but those outside Europe faced a harder time. We treated Europeans better. Now everyone is treated fairly.

I think we should tackle the boats more.

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 15:34

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 15:27

He's often praised Indian migrants and say that those raised in a Hindu household work hard, are driven and tend to do successful in UK society.

Before Brexit we let anyone come in from Europe but those outside Europe faced a harder time. We treated Europeans better. Now everyone is treated fairly.

I think we should tackle the boats more.

and you don’t see that as racist?

whst a sweeping generalisation to make on Hindu households. That in itself is problematic. But what a fucking dig at Sikh and Muslim households!

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 15:46

Bruminbrum · 27/11/2025 15:34

and you don’t see that as racist?

whst a sweeping generalisation to make on Hindu households. That in itself is problematic. But what a fucking dig at Sikh and Muslim households!

No, not really. He's praising them.

Catnanna · 27/11/2025 15:51

Staringintothevoid616 · 27/11/2025 09:22

Exactly, no one is begrudging those kids help, but a much better way of doing it would be to use the money outside the home, eg additional support in schools to break the poverty cycle. I’m afraid a lot of the money will just be squandered by people not responsible enough to keep to the family size they can afford.

Rachel’s “just think about the kids” speech wouldn’t be ringing so hollow if they also thought about the kids in their approach to the grooming gangs, or kids attacked and raped by the asylum seekers.

I was agreeing with you until until I read the second paragraph which has unnecessarily racist comments.

PeonyPatch · 27/11/2025 16:21

whataguddle · 27/11/2025 15:25

They need to raise the personal tax allowance and the thresholds …the tax is too high on workers.

Instead they’ve frozen them for 3 years …they are not for the working person anything but.

I hope Labour are binned off sooner rather than later. They shouldn’t have lifted the 2 child cap …

Agreed

PeonyPatch · 27/11/2025 16:21

theyre the welfare state party

ErhManGah · 27/11/2025 16:48

My view on welfare. For those disabled yes.

For people who need temporary help because of dire really horrible situations yes. But it should be temporary until you reach self sufficiently.

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 16:55

There are some very vile and depressing attitudes on this thread. Have any of you considered the reintroduction of work houses?

Fetchthevet · 27/11/2025 16:59

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 16:55

There are some very vile and depressing attitudes on this thread. Have any of you considered the reintroduction of work houses?

Agree. What a disgusting thread. A lot of people on here have no compassion.

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