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If a wealth tax brought in zero revenue to the government, would people still support it? If yes, why?

598 replies

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 07:20

I’m curious and I’d love to know people’s reasoning.

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EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 12:32

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:30

I take it personally when fellow citizens deliberately work overseas to avoid paying tax. It is sickening, to me.

You can’t actually control where people live I’m afraid. It’s not NK

Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:37

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:30

I take it personally when fellow citizens deliberately work overseas to avoid paying tax. It is sickening, to me.

Well, you’d better get used to it.

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:42

Coolasfeck · 23/11/2025 11:34

It’s all so frustrating because we know Rachel and Kier are surrounded by armies of advisors who are second year grad scheme kids from the right universities. They suffer from group think and ideology. They will be swerving around based on daily poll numbers.

There is no vision or strategic thinking. Their answer to everything will be to set up yet another working group/committee and produce a report. The report will then be socialised until consensus is reached meaning that the least ambitious proposal is carried forward. These people are pathetic.

I actually think Badenoch is starting to stabilise the Tory party. Only Jenrick appears to remain as a hangover from the kamikaze years - and I think he’ll be jettisoned due to his obvious disloyalty.

I believe that they will remember they used to be the party of the economy and within the next 3 years we may get some bold thinking coming from them which will win them the next election. I would not be surprised if it was they who suggested we go back into the Single Market and Customs Union.

How exactly is Badenoch doing that, her main concerns appear to be her anti- woke policies that no one gives a F**k about!

bottledboot · 23/11/2025 12:43

I see we are slipping back into 'The Tories Were Worse' argument.

I thought it was obvious that the point was fixing growth and understanding how to fix it isn’t simple, if it was we wouldn’t be in this mess now…

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:44

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:42

How exactly is Badenoch doing that, her main concerns appear to be her anti- woke policies that no one gives a F**k about!

Can you link to the evidence of where her main concern is "anti-woke" policies?

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:45

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 12:32

You can’t actually control where people live I’m afraid. It’s not NK

I know. I’m allowed to think they’re selfish arseholes, though. Why wouldn’t you want to contribute to society?

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:45

Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:37

Well, you’d better get used to it.

Yes, let's lose our collective mind over this non issue that's going to help confidence in the economy isn't it!

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:46

Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:37

Well, you’d better get used to it.

That’s been said for decades. Few actually leave.

DustyMaiden · 23/11/2025 12:47

Gingernessy · 23/11/2025 07:36

Many would want to keep it anyway.
We love to punish the rich.
This country seems to be full of jealous people who don't like anyone having something they don't no matter how they achieved it.
And full of people getting out of paying there way.

Bingo that’s what she wants you to say

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 12:47

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:11

Sickening.

This isn’t what I mean at all. When we lived in the UK we always paid 45% tax on our income. We left because our lovely area of London began to feel unsafe, because our friends started leaving, and because we knew what a labour government would be like. We also wanted a change because London stopped being the dynamic place it had been.

270,000 British people left last year.

I don’t mind paying 45% income tax. What I mind is paying 45% income tax and not feeling safe on the streets, an NHS on its knees, a constant redistribution to the non productive (excepting those who are actually disabled or ill and unable to work - of course society should look after those people), a government that comes back for more every year.

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Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:47

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:46

That’s been said for decades. Few actually leave.

Seen the latest migration figures lately?

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:49

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:45

I know. I’m allowed to think they’re selfish arseholes, though. Why wouldn’t you want to contribute to society?

Because they will be contributing to the society they move to. Why should they stay in a country where they are hated and blamed for all of society's ills? Why would anyone choose to stay in that environment if they could afford to leave?
You hate them yet simultaneously expect them to stay and keep paying more and more??

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:49

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 12:47

This isn’t what I mean at all. When we lived in the UK we always paid 45% tax on our income. We left because our lovely area of London began to feel unsafe, because our friends started leaving, and because we knew what a labour government would be like. We also wanted a change because London stopped being the dynamic place it had been.

270,000 British people left last year.

I don’t mind paying 45% income tax. What I mind is paying 45% income tax and not feeling safe on the streets, an NHS on its knees, a constant redistribution to the non productive (excepting those who are actually disabled or ill and unable to work - of course society should look after those people), a government that comes back for more every year.

Recently retired, higher rate tax payers for decades. Would rather stay here and contribute.

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:49

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:44

Can you link to the evidence of where her main concern is "anti-woke" policies?

It's her raison d'etre everyone knows that! Just Google it you'll soon find the evidence.

Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:49

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 12:47

This isn’t what I mean at all. When we lived in the UK we always paid 45% tax on our income. We left because our lovely area of London began to feel unsafe, because our friends started leaving, and because we knew what a labour government would be like. We also wanted a change because London stopped being the dynamic place it had been.

270,000 British people left last year.

I don’t mind paying 45% income tax. What I mind is paying 45% income tax and not feeling safe on the streets, an NHS on its knees, a constant redistribution to the non productive (excepting those who are actually disabled or ill and unable to work - of course society should look after those people), a government that comes back for more every year.

Which is why so many highly paid and skilled Brits are indeed moving and taking their tax and intelligence with them. I don’t blame them. I am sad because it means less for education.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 12:50

percypiggy200 · 23/11/2025 12:47

This isn’t what I mean at all. When we lived in the UK we always paid 45% tax on our income. We left because our lovely area of London began to feel unsafe, because our friends started leaving, and because we knew what a labour government would be like. We also wanted a change because London stopped being the dynamic place it had been.

270,000 British people left last year.

I don’t mind paying 45% income tax. What I mind is paying 45% income tax and not feeling safe on the streets, an NHS on its knees, a constant redistribution to the non productive (excepting those who are actually disabled or ill and unable to work - of course society should look after those people), a government that comes back for more every year.

People are free to go. It’s up to politicians to work out how to make it attractive to arrive or stay. Something missed by Labour. But other countries are working on it.

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 23/11/2025 12:50

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:46

That’s been said for decades. Few actually leave.

Britons flee country in record numbers ahead of Reeves tax raids
Exodus much higher than previously thought
The departure of 257,000 British nationals in the year ending December 2024 – more than three times the previous estimate of* *77,000

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/18/proof-tories-migration-crackdown-worked-conservatives/

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:53

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 23/11/2025 12:50

Britons flee country in record numbers ahead of Reeves tax raids
Exodus much higher than previously thought
The departure of 257,000 British nationals in the year ending December 2024 – more than three times the previous estimate of* *77,000

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/18/proof-tories-migration-crackdown-worked-conservatives/

Do you know you have linked the Telegraph for your proof.

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:53

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 23/11/2025 12:50

Britons flee country in record numbers ahead of Reeves tax raids
Exodus much higher than previously thought
The departure of 257,000 British nationals in the year ending December 2024 – more than three times the previous estimate of* *77,000

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/18/proof-tories-migration-crackdown-worked-conservatives/

Fair enough. Just shows how entirely selfish people have become.

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:54

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:49

It's her raison d'etre everyone knows that! Just Google it you'll soon find the evidence.

GROK disagrees with you:

No, Kemi Badenoch is not solely concerned with anti-woke policies. Her political platform is rooted in a broader right-wing conservatism that emphasizes economic liberalism, national security, immigration control, and a return to "core" Tory values like individual responsibility and low taxes. While her critiques of "woke" ideology—such as opposition to critical race theory in schools or gender-neutral policies—have earned her a reputation as a culture warrior, she frequently ties these to wider policy agendas, framing them as barriers to meritocracy, free speech, and economic growth.

Badenoch's positions span multiple domains, drawing from her background as an engineer-turned-MP and her admiration for figures like Margaret Thatcher and Javier Milei (the Argentine president whose "chainsaw" approach to deregulation she has praised). Here's a breakdown:
Policy Area
Key Positions
Examples/Notes
Economy
Advocates for radical deregulation, low taxes, and free-market reforms to reduce "state overreach." She opposes "socialist" interventions like interest rate controls or market regulations, viewing them as stifling growth.
In 2025, she called for emulating Milei's inflation-fighting measures, including slashing public spending and bureaucracy. She has criticized Labour's economic policies as "broken" and pushed for a "reset" in Conservative thinking to prioritize business freedom.

Immigration
Hardline reductionist: Emphasizes lower numbers and cultural integration over sheer volume. She argues "culture matters more than numbers" and supports measures like leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if needed.
During her 2024 leadership bid, she prioritized "shared values" for migrants and opposed "easy answers" like blanket ECHR exits but signaled openness to tougher borders. This aligns with her Nigerian upbringing, where she cites instability as shaping her appreciation for UK order.

Foreign Policy & Defense
"Realist" approach prioritizing UK interests; hawkish on threats from Russia, China, and Iran. Strong pro-Israel stance and commitment to combating antisemitism.
In a 2025 speech, she urged defense spending above 2.5% of GDP by 2030 and criticized the Chagos Islands handover to Mauritius as a taxpayer burden. She pledged to "strengthen ties with Israel" if leading the party.

Environment & Climate
Skeptical of net-zero targets; opposes emissions reductions, windfall taxes on energy firms, and policies improving air/water quality or biodiversity.
As a self-described "net zero sceptic," she has consistently voted against green measures in Parliament (2019–2025), prioritizing economic realism over environmental ideals.

Social Conservatism
Traditional views on marriage and family; abstained on extending same-sex marriage to Northern Ireland (2019). Defends figures like Kate Forbes on marriage definitions.
While overlapping with anti-woke rhetoric, this extends to broader family policy critiques, like opposing extended maternity leave as economically burdensome.

Seems to me she has numerous policies away from "anti woke"

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:55

Legolava · 23/11/2025 12:49

Which is why so many highly paid and skilled Brits are indeed moving and taking their tax and intelligence with them. I don’t blame them. I am sad because it means less for education.

Not all of them though by any stretch of the imagination not everyone wants to go and live in a country with low tax because they don't need traffic lights, roads or any other infrastructure!

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:56

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:54

GROK disagrees with you:

No, Kemi Badenoch is not solely concerned with anti-woke policies. Her political platform is rooted in a broader right-wing conservatism that emphasizes economic liberalism, national security, immigration control, and a return to "core" Tory values like individual responsibility and low taxes. While her critiques of "woke" ideology—such as opposition to critical race theory in schools or gender-neutral policies—have earned her a reputation as a culture warrior, she frequently ties these to wider policy agendas, framing them as barriers to meritocracy, free speech, and economic growth.

Badenoch's positions span multiple domains, drawing from her background as an engineer-turned-MP and her admiration for figures like Margaret Thatcher and Javier Milei (the Argentine president whose "chainsaw" approach to deregulation she has praised). Here's a breakdown:
Policy Area
Key Positions
Examples/Notes
Economy
Advocates for radical deregulation, low taxes, and free-market reforms to reduce "state overreach." She opposes "socialist" interventions like interest rate controls or market regulations, viewing them as stifling growth.
In 2025, she called for emulating Milei's inflation-fighting measures, including slashing public spending and bureaucracy. She has criticized Labour's economic policies as "broken" and pushed for a "reset" in Conservative thinking to prioritize business freedom.

Immigration
Hardline reductionist: Emphasizes lower numbers and cultural integration over sheer volume. She argues "culture matters more than numbers" and supports measures like leaving the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) if needed.
During her 2024 leadership bid, she prioritized "shared values" for migrants and opposed "easy answers" like blanket ECHR exits but signaled openness to tougher borders. This aligns with her Nigerian upbringing, where she cites instability as shaping her appreciation for UK order.

Foreign Policy & Defense
"Realist" approach prioritizing UK interests; hawkish on threats from Russia, China, and Iran. Strong pro-Israel stance and commitment to combating antisemitism.
In a 2025 speech, she urged defense spending above 2.5% of GDP by 2030 and criticized the Chagos Islands handover to Mauritius as a taxpayer burden. She pledged to "strengthen ties with Israel" if leading the party.

Environment & Climate
Skeptical of net-zero targets; opposes emissions reductions, windfall taxes on energy firms, and policies improving air/water quality or biodiversity.
As a self-described "net zero sceptic," she has consistently voted against green measures in Parliament (2019–2025), prioritizing economic realism over environmental ideals.

Social Conservatism
Traditional views on marriage and family; abstained on extending same-sex marriage to Northern Ireland (2019). Defends figures like Kate Forbes on marriage definitions.
While overlapping with anti-woke rhetoric, this extends to broader family policy critiques, like opposing extended maternity leave as economically burdensome.

Seems to me she has numerous policies away from "anti woke"

My goodness, how impressive!

MrsSkylerWhite · 23/11/2025 12:57

GROK?

Seriously 🤣🤣🤣

twistyizzy · 23/11/2025 12:57

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:56

My goodness, how impressive!

Great comment 👍 👌 really adds to the debate.

Didyousaysomethingdarling · 23/11/2025 12:58

Goldenbear · 23/11/2025 12:53

Do you know you have linked the Telegraph for your proof.

It’s my understanding that if one copies and pastes from a newspaper article, you’re required to give the URL for copyright reasons.