CDC changes stance on vaccine autism link. AIBU to be furious and appalled?

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I just saw this on another thread so had a look online. It’s ridiculous, irresponsible, downright dangerous and absolutely not based on science.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/11/20/nx-s1-5615040/cdc-rfk-childhood-vaccines-autism

In the 19th century, people would have done almost anything to save their children, spouses, and siblings. It feels like an insult that anyone in the modern world would turn down vaccines.

That is normal.

Not really even any smoke though.
One very flawed piece of research that no one else was able to replicate, despite it being looked into multiple times) is not even a breath of smoke.

And you do get smoke without fire too.

Apparently people would rather a dead child than an autistic child. 😣

@AlltheHedgehogsontheWall My Grandfather lost six sisters to TB. Nearly a whole family was wiped out.

You don't understand? And yet you're willing to ignore the scientific consensus that autism is not caused by vaccines?

Sorry but i dont think it can be one thing or another and I hate it when people trot out this line as if to say "nothing to see here". There is no proof that this is the only reason for the increase. Lots of things may be contributing that we don't know about.

There clearly are some factors outside of increased diagnosis rates causing an increase. And trust me as a parent of a child with severe autism/LD and probably ASD myself I really don't think the world is suddenly willing to accept and diagnose this more now than before. Have you seen the struggles parents have getting support and education? There are far more cases now than any local authority and health professionals are willing to acknowledge and support. They just can't deny it because the numbers are so high now and it affects lots of NT children, but higher they are higher now than anyone can cope with.

Febrile convulsions are also linked to ADHD. I have both ADHD and epilepsy. I had 2 febrile convulsions, 1 following each MMR dose. I did not have the third dose due to this, as it explains in my medical records.

Sorry but i dont think it can be one thing or another and I hate it when people trot out the "it's just more awareness and an increased rate of diagnosis" line as if to say "nothing to see here". There is no proof that this is the only reason for the increase. Lots of things may be contributing that we don't know about.

There clearly are some factors outside of increased diagnosis rates causing an increase. And trust me as a parent of a child with severe autism/LD and probably ASD myself I really don't think the world is suddenly willing to accept and diagnose this more now than before. Have you seen the struggles parents have getting support and education? There are far more cases now than any local authority and health professionals are willing to acknowledge and support. They just can't deny it because the numbers are so high now and it affects lots of NT children, but higher they are higher now than anyone can cope with.

I don't think it is vaccines, but I don't think it is just more people getting diagnosed either. Both are overly simplistic explanations for a complicated genetic disorder that is probably consists of many different disorders rolled are into an umbrella diagnosis.

You’re right, it’s human nature. That’s why we have highly skilled scientists carrying out research to help find the actual cause. It’s frustrating that now “feelings” etc get in the way!

So you acknowledge that you probably have undiagnosed ASD, whereas your child has diagnosed ASD, and yet, you don't think that the reason for the apparent rise is because more children are being diagnosed.

If we use your family as a sample, autism diagnoses from one generation to the next have risen from zero to one. Incidences of autism have not risen at all. But you don't think that applies to the rest of the population?

Surely you start with everything on the table, then you (the scientists) do research and start taking things off the table once research shows that “thing” is not the cause?
Im in my 50s and have my profession means that I have always worked with adults / children / the general public. I was a pupil, a student for many years and now am a parent of school-aged kids. There has been no change in the number of people I see day to day who display autistic traits. What is different is how many of those now have a diagnosis. Before they would have just been “eccentric” “quirky” etc.

This.

How Come my dad has
it then? No mmr in the 40s.

The mmr raised your temp inducing a febrile seizure. My son had complex febrile seizures so I'm very well read on this subject. He also has likely ADHD and possible ASD. Current thinking is the brain of an autistic person or person with ADHD is more susceptible to seizures and fevers are a trigger for some people. Thso seems the more likely scenario to me given only 5% of children are susceptible to febrile seizures. It's also not JUST body temp it's to do with different viral cytokines in the brain and some viruses are more likely to trigger seizures.

The other thing is a lot of deaths from measles will have been due to seizures and encephalitis, I wonder if those same autistic and ADHD brains were also more susceptible to this? So if we didn't have MMR etc would a lot of autistic kids have been taken out by childhood viruses? So the link is actually more autistic people surviving to adulthood.

This is a recent overview
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK573613/#:~:text=The%20etiology%20of%20ASD%20is%20likely%20to,2).%20ASD%20can%20be%20syndromic%20or%20non%2Dsyndromic.

They changed the name because Hans Asperger was involved with selecting who lived or died in children’s homes run by the Nazis for disabled children forcibly removed from their families.

There is a proven link between autism and epilepsy.

I only recently found out that years ago autism in children was classed as childhood schizophrenia 😳 They're two very different things. There are more cases now purely because it's more known now what it is. I've got just as many credentials as Andrew Wakefield, MMR jabs do not cause autism. Yet that won't change anyone's mind unfortunately

I agree with this 👆 My friend's daughter had a severe reaction to the cervical cancer jab. It was so severe and instantly happened after the jab, it was linked by the consultant and she was awarded compensation. It hasn't put me off having my teens done, but I think it can trigger things in some people

It is still diagnosed as infantile or childhood schizophrenia in some countries and Risperidone prescribed!

Why in god's name are you appalled?! They're finally admitting what many scientists have known for a long time and been censored over. Why would you be appalled about scientific openness and truth? Aren't you more appalled that:

• vaccines AREN'T tested using a placebo
• we now know (govmt has admitted) covid vaccines DO cause heart issues
• there's is an epidemic of childhood ill health - from asthma and allergies to chronic diseases
• any dissenting voices are shut down
• you cannot sue a pharmaceutical company if your child is vaccine injured

Surely any attempt to get to the bottom of this is good? Or is outrage just something you engage in?

😳 good god! Isn't rispiredone an anti psychotic? I'm sure that's what my uncle used to be on. He was schizophrenic

My daughter didn't go near it. One girl in her school was off for 3 weeks, another couldn't use for arm for a week. A neighbour's daughter developed POTS shortly after.

There are huge class action lawsuits in motion against the HPV vaccine. Educate yourself

Yes! But which way round is the link? Genetic predisposition to epilepsy alongside predisposition to autism? Autistic brains have lower seizure threshold? Or epilepsy causing brain I jury?

Because my son has no known epilepsy mutation and his MRI is clear for brain injury yet still seizures, ADHD and likely ASD.