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As Rachel Reeves struggles to balance the books, the Royal Family should forgo a £46 million increase in their funding. AIBU?

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User198174 · 12/11/2025 10:25

Due to an increase in Crown Estate profits, the government is set to increase its grant to the Royal Family from £ 86.3 million to £132.1 million.
As the Royal Family appear to be getting by at present on an £86.3 million grant, AIBU to say that they should share in the pain of the national squeeze on finances?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

King Charles in the foreground of the image looks away to the left of the frame, whilst his younger brother Andrew Mountbatten Windsor is seen behind him, slightly out of focus.

Royal finances: Where does the King get his money? - BBC News

The language of Buckingham Palace's statement is "very brutal", royal historian Kelly Swaby tells the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy5lzq94gqo.amp

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Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 11:55

User198174 · 14/11/2025 11:40

I agree that vested interests are at work. I also believe that many MPs have an eye on their possible ermine robe-wearing futures in the House of Lords, and the £300 per day for life that comes with a seat in the Lords.

I wonder what it would take for the facade to crumble. I do feel that a lot of English people (as opposed to British) have a feudal mentality about the royals, and that’s what allows the system to flourish.

What now? £300 per day?? For life? Even fraudsters like Michelle Moan? Jesus christ...what with the money grabbing lazy arse royals and this, it's no wonder we're in debt. I despair. Off to my lowly paid job now in order to support these leaches.

MangaKanga · 14/11/2025 11:59

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 11:55

What now? £300 per day?? For life? Even fraudsters like Michelle Moan? Jesus christ...what with the money grabbing lazy arse royals and this, it's no wonder we're in debt. I despair. Off to my lowly paid job now in order to support these leaches.

They're all going to get a bit of rude shock when the gravy train derails as it will sooner rather than later.

Our country is running on fumes now.

jumpingthehighjump · 14/11/2025 12:01

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 11:27

This is off topic but I wonder if the seeming reluctance of MPs to tackle Windsor greed is linked in any way to maintaining the current FPTP system . The UK isn’t particularly high on the democratic index - that’s partly to do with the medieval remnant that is the monarchy but surely it is partly first past the post too.

BTW , there is groundswell of support for many reforms re the Windsors - and there are longstanding public reps who have worked to expose the injustices imposed on us .
I think the establishment knows that one crack - eg no more swearing allegiance to Charles rather than the people , or insisting on financial transparency re the Windsors - and the whole facade crumbles .

I think you're absolutely right. And anything to do with the Monarchy is a political hot potato and would erode votes quite possibly

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:10

Eskarina1 · 14/11/2025 11:51

I suspect happy to is... inaccurate. People with disabilities or caring responsibilities incompatible with work, people actively searching hard for work without luck...

Also, if we set the moral standard that everyone needs to pursue a job that can keep a family out of poverty... who's working at the supermarket, providing care in nursing homes, being a band 5 nurse in the South, collecting bins, managing hotel receptions, serving food in cafes, staffing nurseries, being a teaching assistant or any of the 1000s of jobs that wouldn't cover a family as a sole or main income.

Back on topic, I think I would respect the Royal Family more if they declined the grant/donated it to specific causes.

There will always be a small core of people who need help.
Everyone else could either study to get a better paid job or work more hours but most won't.

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:10

There will always be a small core of people who need help.
Everyone else could either study to get a better paid job or work more hours but most won't.

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

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Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 12:16

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

I'd also like to know the answer to this? Also, if we really MUST have a royal family, why can't they pay for their own privileged lifestyles? After all, they certainly have enough money.

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:47

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

I'm only off topic because people replied in the way they did to my first comment.
Undemanding and pleasant duties are only thus if you have a choice.
I was simply pointing out to those who think that the royals are a parasitic drain on taxpayers money that's there's a far bigger parasitic drain on that resource that needs to be dealt with too

jumpingthehighjump · 14/11/2025 13:01

They have a choice. They can walk away. Yes it would be a constitutional crisis, but they can.

User198174 · 14/11/2025 13:20

Gingernessy · 14/11/2025 12:47

I'm only off topic because people replied in the way they did to my first comment.
Undemanding and pleasant duties are only thus if you have a choice.
I was simply pointing out to those who think that the royals are a parasitic drain on taxpayers money that's there's a far bigger parasitic drain on that resource that needs to be dealt with too

A lavish and extravagant royal family is a luxury that a struggling country like the UK cannot afford.

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Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

Ihateboris · 14/11/2025 13:29

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

I've asked this question so many times and never get a response. I wonder why?

RainbowBagels · 14/11/2025 13:54

Ukisgaslit · 14/11/2025 13:28

What duties do the Windsors do?

Most of their ‘duty’ is a PR fig leaf. The Windsors benefit from being linked to charities not the charities themselves.

William does next to nothing .

Even William has basically said what the Royals do is busy work and he doesn't want to do it! Many people are charity patrons- sportspeople, actors, celebs who do the same thing in their spare time, and dont expect the place to be repainted/ toilet seats taken out etc.
Sara Cox has raised £6m for CIN. Charles paid £5m in tax last year yet people criticise CIN for raising money for things that should be paid for through taxation. Chances are William has paid less, as he's decided not to reveal what he has paid. Even though he is rumoured to be a billionnaire- richer than the King.0

banananas1999 · 14/11/2025 17:07

didntlikeanyofthesuggestions · 12/11/2025 13:45

How ungrateful! After all the royal family do for us this is the least the government should be doing. I know Prince Andrew has had some bad publicity recently but let's not punish the others .

What do they do exactly?

wantam · 14/11/2025 17:20

What exactly have the RF done for US, yes us their subjects? Still awaiting an answer I won't want to laugh out loud at.

Well one thing's for sure, it's nothing like what the Romans did for us!

mutinyonthetwix · 14/11/2025 17:29

User198174 · 14/11/2025 12:14

You’re off-topic. Why do the royal family require so much money to carry out their l”undemanding, pleasant duties?

Agree. Even if you accept the most conservative costs of the monarchy we could have about ten Danish monarchies for the cost of our monarchy.

User198174 · 15/11/2025 10:58

Final results - 87 % agree with me that the royals should not receive a £46 million pound increase in funding. Someone tell Rachel Reeves!

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MangaKanga · 17/11/2025 08:17

Much good it will do them to live ever more obscenely while more of us go under.

Charles I fucked around and found out...

CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:22

Haven't RTFT and may be repeating the point but it's worth noting the £46m uptick derives from the sale of windfarm licences located on seabeds which should by rights belong to the nation.

E2 apparently 'saw something' about the Crown Estate taking on ownership of seabeds way back in the 1960's and they were docilely handed over paving the way for all sorts of profitable fuel rights to be sold.

C3 wanted the windfall used for the weaselly worded 'wider good' but that naturally hasn't extended to the full amount.

Also worth noting the Sovereign Grant will never reduce from the previous year's amount thanks to the golden ratchet clause which was supposed to bring stability to royal finances but in effect means if the Crown Estate profits are reduced for any reason (See Covid related losses) the treasury will make good any shortfall.

Heads the royals win, Tails we lose.

User198174 · 18/11/2025 20:27

CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:22

Haven't RTFT and may be repeating the point but it's worth noting the £46m uptick derives from the sale of windfarm licences located on seabeds which should by rights belong to the nation.

E2 apparently 'saw something' about the Crown Estate taking on ownership of seabeds way back in the 1960's and they were docilely handed over paving the way for all sorts of profitable fuel rights to be sold.

C3 wanted the windfall used for the weaselly worded 'wider good' but that naturally hasn't extended to the full amount.

Also worth noting the Sovereign Grant will never reduce from the previous year's amount thanks to the golden ratchet clause which was supposed to bring stability to royal finances but in effect means if the Crown Estate profits are reduced for any reason (See Covid related losses) the treasury will make good any shortfall.

Heads the royals win, Tails we lose.

Thank you for sharing. As ever, the public loses.

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CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:45

The royal family don't get asked if thry fancy a state visit or opening a centre somewhere they're told what they'll be doing and when.

The whole lot rustle up some six month's FTE between them with C3 contributing a back breaking two of them, leaving months of lovely me-time for all.

Telling them to bang a gong for the nation from time to time isn't an imposition.

User198174 · 19/11/2025 08:16

CathyorClaire · 18/11/2025 20:45

The royal family don't get asked if thry fancy a state visit or opening a centre somewhere they're told what they'll be doing and when.

The whole lot rustle up some six month's FTE between them with C3 contributing a back breaking two of them, leaving months of lovely me-time for all.

Telling them to bang a gong for the nation from time to time isn't an imposition.

Exactly.

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Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 09:42

The money the Windsors take from the country is nothing short of an utter disgrace . The sheer greed is staggering especially in light of the state of the UK and public services .

The last Civil List payment was in 2011 and it was for something like 7.8 million .
The equivalent today if we had carried on with the Civil list system would be around 12.15 million

The Windsors are taking 137 million next year .
That is the headline figure of course . The 24/7 security for empty estates/ helicopter commutes / flying personal cars abroad etc bring the total to closer to half a BILLION
On top those handouts , William and Charles pocket around 25 million a year each from the Duchy rip off !

No one but the most swivel eyed royalist could support this greed .

User198174 · 20/11/2025 11:18

Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 09:42

The money the Windsors take from the country is nothing short of an utter disgrace . The sheer greed is staggering especially in light of the state of the UK and public services .

The last Civil List payment was in 2011 and it was for something like 7.8 million .
The equivalent today if we had carried on with the Civil list system would be around 12.15 million

The Windsors are taking 137 million next year .
That is the headline figure of course . The 24/7 security for empty estates/ helicopter commutes / flying personal cars abroad etc bring the total to closer to half a BILLION
On top those handouts , William and Charles pocket around 25 million a year each from the Duchy rip off !

No one but the most swivel eyed royalist could support this greed .

Mind blowing extravagance.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 20/11/2025 11:22

lemonraspberry · 12/11/2025 13:52

Get rid of the crown you also need to get rid of the church. The two work side by side. Another man made entity which decides how people should, should not live and known for endless quests for power it does not deserve.

"Get rid" of the church? What's your argument for that? Just break the link between crown and church of England, surely?

Ukisgaslit · 20/11/2025 12:24

The link between church and monarchy will need to be broken in any case .
William is not religious or spiritual in any way.

Mind you Charles and Camilla being anointed must have hard for religious people to swallow

If William is hypocritical enough to have a coronation for PR reasons , the least he could do is pay for the whole pantomime himself .

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