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Fuck it - the government will look me

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

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EastGrinstead · 09/11/2025 12:24

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bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:25

It is lower than most European countries

You need to put that into context @plumclafoutis

Pensions are higher in other countries because they tend to reflect contributions, the more you pay in the more you get. We don't do that.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:25

plumclafoutis · 09/11/2025 12:23

How is your mum ‘living very comfortably’ on the state pension which is just of £900 per month? It is lower than most European countries and cost of living is high, in particular our fuel and food bills.

People talk about ‘the government’ but forget this one has only been in for a year and a half. You can’t sort out over 18 years of austerity and bad decisions in that time. I don’t know what the solution is but it is not the fault of disabled people or pensioners surviving on the most basic of pensions. We always punch down in this country.

She’s living comfortably because she’s getting more than people who will have worked all their lives and still can’t afford the freebies she’s getting.

The gaslighting around ‘oh, but benefits are such a pittance’ wont fly. If it really wasn’t so comfortable to live on benefits, millions wouldn’t be doing so.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:26

zazazaaarmm · 09/11/2025 11:49

Did you know that the country where people pay the highest taxes in the world has also been voted the happiest country to live in for the last 8 years?
They also have the best public services that people are willing to pay for.
They also have the softest, considered prisons in the world, and are consistently one of the lowest ranking crime countries.

Why we don't look at it far more as a model is because we have a terribly biased press who have pushed an agenda the benefits the most well off. So we have consistently had people voting.The parties that will actually cause them the most harm.

I’m happy to look at that as a model.

We are becoming a high taxation country alongside expensive food, expensive utilities, expensive transportation and expensive housing. This runs alongside failing infrastructure and a lack of law and order so people feel unsafe. No one voted for this ever.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:26

No point trying to explain to people who didn’t pay attention in GCSE economics or don’t pay attention to how economies of countries around the world are functioning.

@WildLimePoet please explain why recognising that we have high inequality means you do not understand economics?

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:26

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:22

Lie. Motability cars are taxpayer funded. Almost one in 4 new cars are taxpayers buying cars for people who don’t work.

Some people with motability cars do work.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:26

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:22

@Polaris81 I never claimed otherwise? But what does that have to do with my post? We have high inequality vs other similar countries, why do you think that is?

My previous post provides the answer you seek.

Unequal outcomes come from unequal inputs.

If you wish to compare with other countries, then I would suggest that certain individuals reliance on our welfare state, and an abrogation of responsibility amongst some, to take ownership for their life choices, might provide an answer.

What do you think?

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:27

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Who/where?

I have not seen any.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:27

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Can you report the ‘bot posts’ please so MNHQ can remove the posters.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:27

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:26

Some people with motability cars do work.

And none of them, working or not, are buying these cars without taxpayer funding. A lie is a lie, whichever way you dress it up.

redange · 09/11/2025 12:28

There is an awful lack of understanding across the public and media, how the Motabilty scheme actually works.
I understand there are some issues mostly regarding 'perceptions' of what someone can claim Motabilty for. The public and some in the media do not consider how difficult it is to get 12 points on that part of the PIP process.

The public should also be aware that by cutting the Motabilty scheme there are likely to be major consequences, to the British Car Industry . This if you consider the industry is propped up by the fact 25% of all new car sales come from Motabilty .

I think also what annoys many people is the perception that people are driving cars that are not affordable to them. They miss two important factors here firstly the top end cars on Motabilty always require a significant payment from the individual. Secondly the car company concerned make them available because they cannot sell that model in a normal market !

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:28

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:22

Lie. Motability cars are taxpayer funded. Almost one in 4 new cars are taxpayers buying cars for people who don’t work.

It's not a lie.

They fund them themselves through the portion of PIP that is awarded for that. So, out of their benefits.

But, regardless of that, what do you have against them? Do you think disabled people should be confined to their houses?

plumclafoutis · 09/11/2025 12:28

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:25

She’s living comfortably because she’s getting more than people who will have worked all their lives and still can’t afford the freebies she’s getting.

The gaslighting around ‘oh, but benefits are such a pittance’ wont fly. If it really wasn’t so comfortable to live on benefits, millions wouldn’t be doing so.

I think it is you that is doing the gaslighting.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:28

@Polaris81 For one we have huge intergenerational inequality in this country largely because of housing costs, how are you putting that down to unequal inputs?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 12:29

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:27

Who/where?

I have not seen any.

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Absolute nowhere of course but that poster can’t bear the thought that any of these posts could be from genuine posters who are fucking sick of it.

redange · 09/11/2025 12:29

Misunderstanding how the system works.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:29

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:01

Why do you have a problem with notability cars? You know people who have them fund them themselves, right?

Out of curiosity, why is Reeves removing BMW’s and Mercedes from the motability fleet?

As has been reported.

JacknDiane · 09/11/2025 12:29

Interesting thread

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:30

@Polaris81 can you also expand on why wage stagnation is because of unequal input?

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:30

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:28

@Polaris81 For one we have huge intergenerational inequality in this country largely because of housing costs, how are you putting that down to unequal inputs?

Do you accept any element of what I have posted?

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:31

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:27

And none of them, working or not, are buying these cars without taxpayer funding. A lie is a lie, whichever way you dress it up.

pp is probably talking about the advance payment which isn't funded by taxpayers.

Probably just a misunderstanding, no different to you saying that those with motability cars don't work.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:32

redange · 09/11/2025 12:28

There is an awful lack of understanding across the public and media, how the Motabilty scheme actually works.
I understand there are some issues mostly regarding 'perceptions' of what someone can claim Motabilty for. The public and some in the media do not consider how difficult it is to get 12 points on that part of the PIP process.

The public should also be aware that by cutting the Motabilty scheme there are likely to be major consequences, to the British Car Industry . This if you consider the industry is propped up by the fact 25% of all new car sales come from Motabilty .

I think also what annoys many people is the perception that people are driving cars that are not affordable to them. They miss two important factors here firstly the top end cars on Motabilty always require a significant payment from the individual. Secondly the car company concerned make them available because they cannot sell that model in a normal market !

Sorry but this word salad doesn’t take anything away from the fact that those paying for other people to have these new (mostly foreign manufactured cars - oh the irony), cannot afford them for themselves. It’s like a protection racket or a mafia. And this is how welfare loses public support.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:32

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:31

pp is probably talking about the advance payment which isn't funded by taxpayers.

Probably just a misunderstanding, no different to you saying that those with motability cars don't work.

Rather than guessing what people think, let’s just accept the facts. These cars are taxpayer funded.

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 12:33

BMW6 · 09/11/2025 12:22

So you just want a Government who encourage self reliance and personal responsibility for their own lives?

Sounds a vote winner to me - Welfare for those who cannot support themselves, for genuine reasons, not the work shy and grifters.

Yes, but also that supports people get out of a hole, even if self created.

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WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:34

plumclafoutis · 09/11/2025 12:28

I think it is you that is doing the gaslighting.

Is that the best you’ve got. How enlightening.

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