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Fuck it - the government will look me

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

OP posts:
WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:02

Negroany · 09/11/2025 13:01

Not just the recipients. I think it's a disgusting, dehumanising idea.

Do you get paid on vouchers by your employer so they can restrict what you spend your money on? Should pensions be paid in vouchers so those pesky old people don't spend it on fripperies?

Does your employer ‘pay’ you to not work?

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:02

What people in England don’t want is what we’ve got currently and what they definitely don’t want is to pay more for what we have currently as it deteriorates further.

The issue is we are at the point where we need to pay more to stay still so services will continue to deteriorate.

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:03

Negroany · 09/11/2025 13:01

Not just the recipients. I think it's a disgusting, dehumanising idea.

Do you get paid on vouchers by your employer so they can restrict what you spend your money on? Should pensions be paid in vouchers so those pesky old people don't spend it on fripperies?

No but I earn that money so I can spend it on what I want. Benefits recipients don’t earn that money. It’s not theirs. It’s the taxpayers. And the tax payer gives them that money to feed themselves, house themselves, treat their disability etc, not get their nails done.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 13:03

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:58

Is that the best you’ve got? Come on, do better. There’s always chat GPT if you’re struggling.

That explains your posts.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:03

Money given to you by other people is not money you earned.

@WildLimePoet how would you change the state pension model then?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:04

Everlore · 09/11/2025 13:00

Perhaps you need to work on your short-term memory as well as your reading comprehension skills since my post was obviously a response to a previous post of yours in which you wrongly stated that none of those who have Motibility cars work.
I do not have access to the application forms of every successful PIP claimant so I do not feel confident stating that they are all claiming fraudulently. You, however, do seem to have access to all of this sensitive personal and medical information, which is quite concerning as it suggests a potential cyber security lapse at the DWP.
I assume you have all of these details since you are so confident in asserting that none of these PIP claimants should qualify for the benefit. Either that or you are just quoting, without any reliable or verifyable evidence, ridiculous claims and anecdotes about imaginary PIP-claimants you have read on MN and extracting fictitious figures from your fundamental oriphice.

Was there a point in this post? Hard to find it among all the ranting.

frozendaisy · 09/11/2025 13:04

Oh just do it

sell everything
go on benefits if you want

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:05

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:03

Money given to you by other people is not money you earned.

@WildLimePoet how would you change the state pension model then?

Those that have paid in to the pension can spend it on what they like. Those that haven’t get vouchers. It’s an incentive to work. We need more of these.

LizzieW1969 · 09/11/2025 13:05

Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 10:26

You don’t think the majority of most peoples lives is a result of our own choices? I’m not saying there aren’t barriers - I’m saying the government should be removing those barriers rather than perpetuating them.

I thought I believed in a safety net. I’ve been financial prudent my whole life. I honestly worry that the safety net is being eroded and we are being encouraged not to have one. Particularly for middle earners, I think there will be very little difference between having saved a pension and having saved nothing - the government will pay the difference.

Most people I know unless working

in public sector or industries like financial services aren’t saving or are saving a pittance. These people aren’t living in poverty.

For a lot of people, their lives are result of other people’s bad choices. My DD1 (16) almost certainly has FASD as a result of her birth mum drinking through her pregnancy. It also wasn’t her or DD2’s (13) choice to be taken away from her birth parents at birth and adopted into another family.

Obviously, it doesn’t mean their own choices aren’t important, but there’s no denying that DD1 in particular hasn’t been severely damaged by her birth mum’s drinking.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 09/11/2025 13:05

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:03

No but I earn that money so I can spend it on what I want. Benefits recipients don’t earn that money. It’s not theirs. It’s the taxpayers. And the tax payer gives them that money to feed themselves, house themselves, treat their disability etc, not get their nails done.

Once in their account it is theirs.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:05

Negroany · 09/11/2025 13:03

That explains your posts.

You can actually explain them? Nah, That would require you to understand basic fiscal reality.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 13:06

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:03

No but I earn that money so I can spend it on what I want. Benefits recipients don’t earn that money. It’s not theirs. It’s the taxpayers. And the tax payer gives them that money to feed themselves, house themselves, treat their disability etc, not get their nails done.

Nails.....

OK. So, people on benefits (many of whom work, the majority of whom are pensioners, some of whom are disabled [or a combination of those things]) are not allowed to get their nails done.

Are they allowed, for example, to choose what they eat? Can they be vegan? Can they avoid, or eat, certain things due to religious beliefs?

Where are you drawing the line on removing choice for people?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 13:06

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:59

Yes, you have started to understand my point.

People have a choice what they spend their benefits on. Some choose the car scheme. For some reason you don't like that. But you agree it would be fine if they spent it all on gin.

What you're really saying is that you think the lives of disabled people should be restricted and they should not be able to live as good a life as, say, you. It's simple envy.

I’m not sure it’s envy. I think it’s the sheer quantity of disabled people, currently only to be surpassed by the generations below.

In my child’s previous school the numbers of children with SEN were published at around 25%. Locally that school was not known as the school most set up for SEN intake and anecdotally I’ve been told by parents of my other local school that their child was one of the very few there that didn’t have SEN. Let’s assume those numbers are replicated across many U.K. locations. I think we’re going to have a real problem with enough net contributors once Gen X ages into forced retirement.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:06

Is there nothing that could be done at an early age that would go a long way towards providing those choices?

more social housing

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 09/11/2025 13:06

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:02

What people in England don’t want is what we’ve got currently and what they definitely don’t want is to pay more for what we have currently as it deteriorates further.

The issue is we are at the point where we need to pay more to stay still so services will continue to deteriorate.

Hence why people are pissed.

Damnthetorpedoes · 09/11/2025 13:07

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:00

All. Each and every.

A curious approach…

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:08

Those that have paid in to the pension can spend it on what they like. Those that haven’t get vouchers. It’s an incentive to work. We need more of these.

@Woodlend & the ones who worked but live in social housing?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:09

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 13:03

No but I earn that money so I can spend it on what I want. Benefits recipients don’t earn that money. It’s not theirs. It’s the taxpayers. And the tax payer gives them that money to feed themselves, house themselves, treat their disability etc, not get their nails done.

What these people fail to understand in their vehement defence of claiming other people’s money as their own is that those other people could easily make an electoral choice to not hand out their money. Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:09

@EvangelicalAboutButteredToast I completely understand why people are pissed, Im pissed. I perplexed as to why people think this happened overnight though & that it's the fault of notability cars or whatever.

redange · 09/11/2025 13:10

You can use your Vouchers at the 'company store' . Is that what happened to the Mill Workers in 1841 !

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:10

Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

The IMF are not going to come along and stop paying pensions...

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:11

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 13:10

Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

The IMF are not going to come along and stop paying pensions...

They could force the pension age to be raised significantly. And yes, they can and will cut benefits.

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 13:11

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 13:09

What these people fail to understand in their vehement defence of claiming other people’s money as their own is that those other people could easily make an electoral choice to not hand out their money. Or worse, IMF could come along, since this country’s public spending and debt is a basket case, and tell people that you are not no longer getting other people’s money for free.

You know what else some people fail to understand?

Disability doesn't discriminate and can happen to anyone or their child at any time.

No one thinks it will happen to them or their child until it does.

redange · 09/11/2025 13:11

Lee Anderson has created his own character, just says stupid things because he has a desire to be noticed !

Donttellempike · 09/11/2025 13:11

YesSirICanNameChange · 09/11/2025 13:00

What do these vouchers look like? Are you allowed to choose the supermarket? Are you allowed to choose the items? Is it all brought out to you in a big shopping bag that says "COURTESY OF THE TAXPAYER" in big letters so everyone knows you're on benefits?

It never takes long before the sanctimonious know nothings come out to spout

Displaying zero understanding that poverty, disability and disease can strike anyone.

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