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Great Fire of London in Year 1

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 17:44

So this weekend it'll be helping my 5 year olds make cardboard houses and then lots of pretend fire burning them down. With my eldest we did a big picture with lots of tissue paper fire and I can honestly say it still feels like such an odd thing to teach 5 year olds about.
Why is it still such a big thing on the primary school curriculum? I just don't really see why we need to be taxing 5 year olds about how London burned down once!
Aibu? Surely there other history that's more age appropriate? I know it's all a big gory etc but I just feel like more sensitive kids might get really disturbed by so much talk about burning houses!

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greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 19:58

WiddlinDiddlin · 07/11/2025 19:55

Think again, there were... but they were hand dragged or horse drawn, pumps on wheels possibly buckets and hoses and ladders dangling from them too..

However they weren't overly useful, being too bulky and slow to deploy down narrow streets and difficult to get close to the seat of the fire.

Fires were pretty common and each parish had a responsibilty to have equipment and people to use it, but in built up areas the main tactic was to create firebreaks by demolishing buildings, and then put out fires by passing buckets of water from whatever point one could pump water to.

Yes and they had leather buckets to make a fire chain from the river to the streets.They had water squirters and they used fire hooks to pull down houses to create a fire break.

ilovepixie · 07/11/2025 19:59

Theunamedcat · 07/11/2025 17:50

Pretend burn? Hell my sons school set fire to them in the playground gave an accurate representation of how fast fire spreads and how dangerous fire is

They set fire to the kids???

DingDongJingle · 07/11/2025 20:00

60andcounting · 07/11/2025 19:49

I don't think there were any fire engines at the gfol..

I just meant that they’re generally not scared by the idea of fires, they love that sort of thing!

greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 20:00

Iloveeverycat · 07/11/2025 19:39

My 22-year-old is now working and he did it in year one. Poor teachers!
It justs go to show how easy teachers jobs are they just do the same topics every year. My daughter did the same in 2006

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Yawn.

OhDear111 · 07/11/2025 20:02

@Nopenott0day They weren’t as important as the Great fire of London in terms of town planning, St Paul’s cathedral and other important changes in how buildings were constructed. As others said, this event was important nationally and London matters.

KatieKat88 · 07/11/2025 20:03

Frenzi · 07/11/2025 19:24

Do the still do Richard III in Yr 7/8?

My youngest got a shoe box, filled it with soil, chopped up a small rubber glow in the dark skeleton and buried in said soil. Poured plaster of paris on the top and painted it to look like a car park. Then took a couple of toffee hammers to school with it to excavate. Sheer excellence.

I miss the days of helping out with school projects!!!

Yes we do and I would be over the moon if one of my students brought that in!!

ThatKeenShaker · 07/11/2025 20:03

ilovepixie · 07/11/2025 19:59

They set fire to the kids???

yes, yes they did.

Best way to teach them.

KatieKat88 · 07/11/2025 20:07

Fangisnotacoward · 07/11/2025 18:59

There were repercussions from the fire which had wide reaching implications.

For example the fire very effectively cleansed London of the plague, destroyed the rats and crowded conditions people lived in that enabled its spread.

So much was rebuilt and had to be modernised.

Plus kids love a bit of death and destruction. There's a reason Horrible Histories is so popular!

It's actually a misconception (one that I held for ages!) that the GFoL got rid of the plague https://www.londonmuseum.org.uk/collections/london-stories/myths-great-fire-london/

Three myths about the Great Fire of London

https://www.londonmuseum.org.uk/collections/london-stories/myths-great-fire-london/

ThatKeenShaker · 07/11/2025 20:08

Surely there other history that's more age appropriate?

I think at some point we need to accept that children grown, and that you can't treat them like babies. There's nothing inappropriate in history really, just don't go into details - that would be unnecessary and inappropriate. Or there's nothing appropriate about History, depends how you look at it 😂

You don't need to be religious to have seen a Cross, at any age, crucifixion is a heavy one!

Primary school kids rushing to get their certificate from "The Monument" is one of the highlights of the year of the kids local-ish to London

Notsurewhatisnormalanymore · 07/11/2025 20:09

It’s because it’s so easy to make cross curricular links with and makes teachers lives easier. It also captures the imagination of the kids which a lot of historical events fails to do.

MinervaMouseHunter · 07/11/2025 20:16

greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 19:56

We teach that to year 1/2. They loved it. Currently on The Gunpowder Plot. I guess you’re not too happy with that either.

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Ds3 is doing the gunpowder plot now but I think his mind was wandering.

He excitedly told me about how Guy Fawkes tried to blow up London by putting bombs underneath it...and that's why it's called BOMB-fire night 🤔😂

wanttokickoffbutcant · 07/11/2025 20:19

LaserPumpkin · 07/11/2025 17:59

I think we did Ancient Egypt (including mummification) and the Roman Empire (including gladiators) at that age.

The Great Fire of London seems positively tame compared to those.

Same here - mummified a ragdoll! Also did GFoL and took DD up the Monument in London. I think Egypt was more gory than the fire - wasn't there only one death?

Needmorelego · 07/11/2025 20:24

MinervaMouseHunter · 07/11/2025 20:16

Ds3 is doing the gunpowder plot now but I think his mind was wandering.

He excitedly told me about how Guy Fawkes tried to blow up London by putting bombs underneath it...and that's why it's called BOMB-fire night 🤔😂

That's actually pretty good thinking 😂

Ineedaweeinpeace · 07/11/2025 20:26

He buried a cheese c’mon it’s gold!

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/11/2025 20:34

They weren’t as important as the Great fire of London in terms of town planning, St Paul’s cathedral and other important changes in how buildings were constructed.

And the proposals put forward by Evelyn, Wren and others for a completely new street layout, with wide, straight boulevards.

Having Pepys (and Evelyn) opens up discussion on the importance of contemporary, eyewitness accounts as opposed to hearsay.

The plague wasn't just in London. It was raging in Deptford, where John Evelyn lived, and in most places round the Kent coast. And Eyam in Derbyshire, of course. And elsewhere.

HeyThereDelila · 07/11/2025 20:38

It’s absolutely fine- DS did it last year and loved it. It’s very teachable- a few key dates and facts, teaches about a time London looked very different, tells them about how modern London came in to being and nicely introduces the Stuart monarchy, Samuel Pepys etc, and captures their imagination. It’s a great school topic!

Pearl69 · 07/11/2025 20:40

Theunamedcat · 07/11/2025 17:50

Pretend burn? Hell my sons school set fire to them in the playground gave an accurate representation of how fast fire spreads and how dangerous fire is

Used to be a mad afternoon doing the house burning . Children would be cheering and the Principal would arrive with a bucket of water wearing a fire man’s helmet. Not allowed to do it anymore now 😔 I bet all the children remember it though .

Tryingtohelp12 · 07/11/2025 20:42

My son did it, they used it as a theme across the whole curriculum, English - diary writing (how do we know what happened, can we pretend we are there watching and write our own diary), geography (why did it burn so quickly, what do our towns look like to stop it happening again), science (what do you need to make a fire). Never ending inspo for art. I was surprised how much they were able to utilise the theme

Sez1990 · 07/11/2025 20:42

Theunamedcat · 07/11/2025 17:50

Pretend burn? Hell my sons school set fire to them in the playground gave an accurate representation of how fast fire spreads and how dangerous fire is

It was only when I read a third comment from a poster referencing setting fire to them in the playground that I realised “them” is the cardboard houses and not the children! I couldn’t work out if it was some kind of pretend game or they wore some special educational heatproof suits from the fire brigade or something, but no one else on the thread was questioning setting fire to “them”!

RyanFudgingMurphy · 07/11/2025 20:47

The curriculum hasn’t changed in 15 years? My DD is at uni now and did the GFoL when she was in year 1. We went to the Museum of London to see its exhibit on the subject.

Lennonjingles · 07/11/2025 20:50

My DS did this in year 1, over 24 years ago, we went to The British Museum and had a very knowledgeable young member of staff tell the story of The Fire of London, appropriate to 5/6 year olds. Then we went and looked at the exhibits from that time including a letter from the diary of Samuel Pepys.

Blump2783 · 07/11/2025 21:11

I used to work by Monument and every day there were infant children coming to visit it. They would go up to the top and then have their pic taken pointing at the sign for Pudding Lane. They always looked like they were having fun.

SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 22:22

Iloveeverycat · 07/11/2025 19:39

My 22-year-old is now working and he did it in year one. Poor teachers!
It justs go to show how easy teachers jobs are they just do the same topics every year. My daughter did the same in 2006

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Yes, to a class of 30 5 year olds. I'd say that's hard work whatever they're teaching.

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 22:31

greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 19:56

We teach that to year 1/2. They loved it. Currently on The Gunpowder Plot. I guess you’re not too happy with that either.

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Tbh I don't have to do homework on that so 🤣🤣🤣

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 22:31

greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 19:56

We teach that to year 1/2. They loved it. Currently on The Gunpowder Plot. I guess you’re not too happy with that either.

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Tbh I don't have to do homework on that so 🤣🤣🤣

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