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Great Fire of London in Year 1

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 17:44

So this weekend it'll be helping my 5 year olds make cardboard houses and then lots of pretend fire burning them down. With my eldest we did a big picture with lots of tissue paper fire and I can honestly say it still feels like such an odd thing to teach 5 year olds about.
Why is it still such a big thing on the primary school curriculum? I just don't really see why we need to be taxing 5 year olds about how London burned down once!
Aibu? Surely there other history that's more age appropriate? I know it's all a big gory etc but I just feel like more sensitive kids might get really disturbed by so much talk about burning houses!

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 18:21

NewInks · 07/11/2025 17:53

Do you think teachers are daft? It will be taught in a way which is age appropriate, no kid will be "disturbed". Has your DC never watched Fireman Sam?

Well it doesn't matter how certain subjects are taught, they can still upset some kids. Just try teaching my kid about hearts of his class mate about mummies. And they're 10!

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OhDear111 · 07/11/2025 18:22

@Nopenott0day Did Pepys write about Nantwich? Did a cathedral rise from the ashes as glorious at St Paul’s? Can you see Pudding Lane and go up the Monument? Nantwich? Not quite the same is it?

SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 18:22

WonderingWanda · 07/11/2025 17:58

Yes, heaven forbid that children are afraid of fire 🙄
Learning about the great fire of London is not going to traumatise them. It's an age appropriate way to introduce real life issues...sometimes there are disasters and in the past it was much harder to deal with them. If she gets upset take her to a modern day fire station to see how cool the fire engines are.

At that age you really should've talked about what to do in your own home in the event of a fire. Talked through escape routes, getting down low and covering your mouth. Not going back into a burning building etc.

Don't worry, they've had a real experience of me setting the cooker on fire and the fire engine coming out. Were versed in appropriate action. So much so that when the fire brigade came out to change our fire alarm, one of them asked if we needed to go stand outside

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 18:24

LaserPumpkin · 07/11/2025 17:59

I think we did Ancient Egypt (including mummification) and the Roman Empire (including gladiators) at that age.

The Great Fire of London seems positively tame compared to those.

Ah Egypt is yrv5 here and Romans I think yr 4. I'm trying to remember from the various costumes. My Mummy costume was excellent . There was Vikings in one of the other years too

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Notoironing · 07/11/2025 18:26

mine were more upset by the titanic. I also found the content on mummification in the ancient Egypt topic nauseating but the kids didn’t seem that fazed.

PastaAllaNorma · 07/11/2025 18:31

I think mummification was y3, Romans were y4. I remember a lot of mummified Barbies being put in sarcophagi over DD's objections because she hadn't finished playing with them.

We went to the monument in half term because DC were so keen on the Great Fire stuff

Nopenott0day · 07/11/2025 18:31

OhDear111 · 07/11/2025 18:22

@Nopenott0day Did Pepys write about Nantwich? Did a cathedral rise from the ashes as glorious at St Paul’s? Can you see Pudding Lane and go up the Monument? Nantwich? Not quite the same is it?

How could he (at least from a first person perspective) when he hadn't been born yet?
However Elizabeth I donated £1000, the church where people sheltered still stands, and there were 4 bears on the loose.

My point is why is everything so London centric? There is many "Great Fires" all over the UK.

SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 18:31

Tiebiter · 07/11/2025 18:04

I think the black death is far more gruesome. The pustules, the rats, the name of it, the plague pits.

But these are the kind of things that really spark an interest. No one wants to learn about the treaty of boringland in the year boring66. We want fire, executions, plagues.

Ok actually you're right.

Fine, I concede defeat and ill relish building my houses of fire this weekend. Can I moan I have twins and have to do twice as much at the same time tho and they refuse to do anything that isn't the same as the other one?

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 18:33

Nopenott0day · 07/11/2025 18:31

How could he (at least from a first person perspective) when he hadn't been born yet?
However Elizabeth I donated £1000, the church where people sheltered still stands, and there were 4 bears on the loose.

My point is why is everything so London centric? There is many "Great Fires" all over the UK.

TBF I think their overarching topic is London so....

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PolyVagalNerve · 07/11/2025 18:34

Never too young for some fire safety training!!!

disturbing ?? Nah - unless you are a snowflake ❄️

PonkyPonky · 07/11/2025 18:36

I just listened to a great podcast about the great fire of London. There are so many interesting things to learn about this.
Why did London burn so easily? Because the buildings were so close, made of wood and the roofs covered in pitch (very flammable).
How did the weather affect the spread? Unusually high winds in an unusual direction.
What good came of it? St Paul’s Cathedral. Rebuilding London to be safer and less squashed. The community came together to rebuild extremely fast.
What lessons were learned? Lots of fire safety information was gleaned from it and fed into how we keeps fire risk much lower now.
I could go on for hours about this. It’s a fascinating topic and most children really enjoy it.

CagneyNYPD1 · 07/11/2025 18:40

I now work with Year 5 and 6 children. They don’t tend to remember much about their time in Years 1 and 2. But they do remember learning about TGFofLondon (and in detail). I think that says something.

Beedeeoh · 07/11/2025 18:41

As history goes I think it's one of the least disturbing topics! Hard to think of much that's less gory or doesn't involve mass scale death. Also tbh I think it's fair enough to start exposing year ones to some level of sad/disturbing history, they're not tinies any more.

I was quite surprised to hear my year 2 child come home with a detailed account of Guy Fawkes earlier this week. She knew he'd tried to blow up the king, been caught and killed. I didn't remember learning those details when I was younger but hey, that's what happened, fair enough.

Needmorelego · 07/11/2025 18:46

Theunamedcat · 07/11/2025 17:50

Pretend burn? Hell my sons school set fire to them in the playground gave an accurate representation of how fast fire spreads and how dangerous fire is

My daughters school did that.
The kids loved it. All watched from a distance (caretaker stood by with fire extinguisher) and sang London's Burning.
Brilliant!

Needmorelego · 07/11/2025 18:50

I've just remembered they did a little play and one girl played the maid who was too afraid to jump out the window.
Oscar winning death scene that was. Excellent acting for a 5 year old.

Wethers121 · 07/11/2025 18:53

My children absolutely loved this as a subject at school. It’s one of their favourite things they’ve ever learned and we have event taken them on the GFOL tour as well as they were just fascinated. Also, not very gory. Isn’t it famous for having such few casualties.

DarkEyedSailor · 07/11/2025 18:54

I mostly remember the Great Fire, the Plague and the Aztec human sacrifices from school. (I'm still very gory, I only watch horror.) I loved them.

I always thought there must have been more people died in the GFOL than 8 or whatever they tell you. Undocumented beggars, poor people, people passing through etc.

CrikeyMajikey · 07/11/2025 18:58

It interests little boys so is a great way to get them learning.

Fangisnotacoward · 07/11/2025 18:59

There were repercussions from the fire which had wide reaching implications.

For example the fire very effectively cleansed London of the plague, destroyed the rats and crowded conditions people lived in that enabled its spread.

So much was rebuilt and had to be modernised.

Plus kids love a bit of death and destruction. There's a reason Horrible Histories is so popular!

HermioneGrangersHair · 07/11/2025 18:59

mynameiscalypso · 07/11/2025 18:09

I wish our school did proper history like this. DS is in Year 2 and I think would enjoy it more than bringing in baby photos constantly which seems to be all they ever do in history.

I also looked at the KS1 curriculum online and the Great Fire of London is specially mentioned in there.

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@mynameiscalypso is your DC school a private one? Surely they have to follow the national curriculum if not private?
KS1 teachers really bring these things to life in schools and I think it’s great they do. The Romans, the Egyptians, Boudicca etc all involved some sort of dressing up and re- enactments when my DC were in primary. They have very fond memories of the battles re enacted or building pyramids 😀

Washingbasquait · 07/11/2025 19:00

It’s not really that gory though is it? Didn’t only about six people die?

I think it’s a good topic to teach young kids - it’s more likely to hold their interest that say, administrative developments in 14th century wool manufacturing.

RichardGeresTie · 07/11/2025 19:04

We did a lovely piece of writing in English in Y2. It was a diary of the Great Fire Of London from the perspective of a rat!

HonoriaBulstrode · 07/11/2025 19:05

It interests little boys so is a great way to get them learning.

Do they tell them what the Lord Mayor said? They'd remember that.

And don't forget John Evelyn. He's not so entertaining as Pepys overall, but he did write some very descriptive passages about the Fire.

And as well as St Paul's, there are all the Wren churches - or all those that survived the other Great Fire.

Throneofgame · 07/11/2025 19:06

SwirlyShirly · 07/11/2025 17:47

One of the interesting things about TGFoL is the very few casualties considering how wide spread it was.

You're wrong, that's a myth.

People often say the Great Fire of London caused very few deaths but that’s only the official figure. Record-keeping in 1666 was extremely poor, many parish registers were destroyed and the fire burned hot enough to obliterate remains. The real number of casualties was almost certainly far higher than the handful recorded, especially among poorer residents who were less likely to be counted in the first place.

Throneofgame · 07/11/2025 19:07

Washingbasquait · 07/11/2025 19:00

It’s not really that gory though is it? Didn’t only about six people die?

I think it’s a good topic to teach young kids - it’s more likely to hold their interest that say, administrative developments in 14th century wool manufacturing.

I replied to another poster, but that's a myth.

People often say the Great Fire of London caused very few deaths but that’s really only the official figure. Record-keeping in 1666 was extremely poor, many parish registers were destroyed and the fire burned hot enough to obliterate remains. The real number of casualties was almost certainly far higher than the handful recorded, especially among poorer residents who were less likely to be counted in the first place.