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Great Fire of London in Year 1

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SleepingStandingUp · 07/11/2025 17:44

So this weekend it'll be helping my 5 year olds make cardboard houses and then lots of pretend fire burning them down. With my eldest we did a big picture with lots of tissue paper fire and I can honestly say it still feels like such an odd thing to teach 5 year olds about.
Why is it still such a big thing on the primary school curriculum? I just don't really see why we need to be taxing 5 year olds about how London burned down once!
Aibu? Surely there other history that's more age appropriate? I know it's all a big gory etc but I just feel like more sensitive kids might get really disturbed by so much talk about burning houses!

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Throneofgame · 07/11/2025 19:08

DarkEyedSailor · 07/11/2025 18:54

I mostly remember the Great Fire, the Plague and the Aztec human sacrifices from school. (I'm still very gory, I only watch horror.) I loved them.

I always thought there must have been more people died in the GFOL than 8 or whatever they tell you. Undocumented beggars, poor people, people passing through etc.

You are absolutely correct.

The fire destroyed parish records, many people's births or existence had never even been written down and it was so hot that bones were effectively cremated.

Historians believe it is no doubt that dozens if not hundreds of people were killed by the Fire.

Washingbasquait · 07/11/2025 19:09

Throneofgame · 07/11/2025 19:07

I replied to another poster, but that's a myth.

People often say the Great Fire of London caused very few deaths but that’s really only the official figure. Record-keeping in 1666 was extremely poor, many parish registers were destroyed and the fire burned hot enough to obliterate remains. The real number of casualties was almost certainly far higher than the handful recorded, especially among poorer residents who were less likely to be counted in the first place.

Interesting, thank you.

whatcanthematterbe81 · 07/11/2025 19:09

Theunamedcat · 07/11/2025 17:50

Pretend burn? Hell my sons school set fire to them in the playground gave an accurate representation of how fast fire spreads and how dangerous fire is

Haha same!

whatcanthematterbe81 · 07/11/2025 19:10

I mean, it’s history! A very important part of our history. I don’t think anyone has had any trauma so far by learning about it. The teachers know what they’re doing

AgualusasL0ver · 07/11/2025 19:10

Kids actually love the gory bits of history, it’s why Horrible Histories and the spin off Gory Games is so popular.

MoreIcedLattePlease · 07/11/2025 19:10

CarlaLemarchant · 07/11/2025 17:53

It’s a great topic that kids that age did find interesting but good god, do they not vary the curriculum at all? Mu year 9 DS did it when he was in year 1. The teachers must lose the will to live, although I suppose it saves on the planning.

Teacher's don't get to choose the curriculum, it's dictated by the DfE. Teachers teach it.

If teachers designed it, I can assure you it wouldn't contain fronted adverbials be so mind-numbingly boring at times!

GFoL, though, is bloody brilliant and year 1 love it!

Ddakji · 07/11/2025 19:11

Nopenott0day · 07/11/2025 18:31

How could he (at least from a first person perspective) when he hadn't been born yet?
However Elizabeth I donated £1000, the church where people sheltered still stands, and there were 4 bears on the loose.

My point is why is everything so London centric? There is many "Great Fires" all over the UK.

I don’t remember much else about primary history being especially London-centric but like it or not it’s our capital, our seat of government, the financial centre, etc etc.

EasternStandard · 07/11/2025 19:11

We just went through this and the plague. Ik dd found it interesting as both came up at home.

DarkEyedSailor · 07/11/2025 19:12

Throneofgame · 07/11/2025 19:08

You are absolutely correct.

The fire destroyed parish records, many people's births or existence had never even been written down and it was so hot that bones were effectively cremated.

Historians believe it is no doubt that dozens if not hundreds of people were killed by the Fire.

I knew itGrin

IsoldeWagner · 07/11/2025 19:20

MoreIcedLattePlease · 07/11/2025 19:10

Teacher's don't get to choose the curriculum, it's dictated by the DfE. Teachers teach it.

If teachers designed it, I can assure you it wouldn't contain fronted adverbials be so mind-numbingly boring at times!

GFoL, though, is bloody brilliant and year 1 love it!

Hats off to the teachers , though.
Teaching primary school - I couldn't do that job, so thank you to those of you who do!
👏

Frenzi · 07/11/2025 19:24

Do the still do Richard III in Yr 7/8?

My youngest got a shoe box, filled it with soil, chopped up a small rubber glow in the dark skeleton and buried in said soil. Poured plaster of paris on the top and painted it to look like a car park. Then took a couple of toffee hammers to school with it to excavate. Sheer excellence.

I miss the days of helping out with school projects!!!

TeaPr · 07/11/2025 19:25

CarlaLemarchant · 07/11/2025 17:53

It’s a great topic that kids that age did find interesting but good god, do they not vary the curriculum at all? Mu year 9 DS did it when he was in year 1. The teachers must lose the will to live, although I suppose it saves on the planning.

My 22-year-old is now working and he did it in year one. Poor teachers!

BobblyBobbleHat · 07/11/2025 19:35

It's a perfect topic to engage year 1's in history, they won't exactly detail anything gory. It amazes me how some parents think.

Iloveeverycat · 07/11/2025 19:39

My 22-year-old is now working and he did it in year one. Poor teachers!
It justs go to show how easy teachers jobs are they just do the same topics every year. My daughter did the same in 2006

LaserPumpkin · 07/11/2025 19:40

Iloveeverycat · 07/11/2025 19:39

My 22-year-old is now working and he did it in year one. Poor teachers!
It justs go to show how easy teachers jobs are they just do the same topics every year. My daughter did the same in 2006

Edited

Yes, teachers do exactly the same thing year in year out. They don’t need to adapt to the fact children are different even if the topic is the same.

Londonrach1 · 07/11/2025 19:41

It's great for that age. Try and go the London fire of London walk....we took dd. Great topic and amazing how few died from it

Bernadinetta · 07/11/2025 19:45

Nopenott0day · 07/11/2025 18:31

How could he (at least from a first person perspective) when he hadn't been born yet?
However Elizabeth I donated £1000, the church where people sheltered still stands, and there were 4 bears on the loose.

My point is why is everything so London centric? There is many "Great Fires" all over the UK.

I’m a teacher and when I’ve done this topic before we also combine it with the Great Fire of Newcastle and Gateshead (much more local) of 1854. Adds the local element and can compare and contrast the fire response from 200 years later.

IsoldeWagner · 07/11/2025 19:48

Bernadinetta · 07/11/2025 19:45

I’m a teacher and when I’ve done this topic before we also combine it with the Great Fire of Newcastle and Gateshead (much more local) of 1854. Adds the local element and can compare and contrast the fire response from 200 years later.

That sounds really interesting.

60andcounting · 07/11/2025 19:49

DingDongJingle · 07/11/2025 17:48

5 year olds love fire engines and stuff like that don’t they?

I don't think there were any fire engines at the gfol..

IsoldeWagner · 07/11/2025 19:50

My son loved Roman Day in yr3. He talked about it for ages afterwards.

Vitriolinsanity · 07/11/2025 19:50

I can remember few things from that age, but the TFOL and mount Vesuvius/Pompeii were The Best!!

WiddlinDiddlin · 07/11/2025 19:50

We did ancient egypt, Tutankhamun and pulling brains out of noses. I don't recall anyone being traumatised (and it was a TINY class, only three other kids in my year group, one of who was a proper wet lettuce and even she was fine).

Vitriolinsanity · 07/11/2025 19:54

BobblyBobbleHat · 07/11/2025 19:35

It's a perfect topic to engage year 1's in history, they won't exactly detail anything gory. It amazes me how some parents think.

Oh we did. 70’s child. Pictures of the poor Pompeii victims.
We had a Newsboard in our class. A classmate’s Grandfather was eaten by a crocodile and the Headline of the week was “A’s Grandad Eaten by Crocodile”. I shit you not.

WiddlinDiddlin · 07/11/2025 19:55

60andcounting · 07/11/2025 19:49

I don't think there were any fire engines at the gfol..

Think again, there were... but they were hand dragged or horse drawn, pumps on wheels possibly buckets and hoses and ladders dangling from them too..

However they weren't overly useful, being too bulky and slow to deploy down narrow streets and difficult to get close to the seat of the fire.

Fires were pretty common and each parish had a responsibilty to have equipment and people to use it, but in built up areas the main tactic was to create firebreaks by demolishing buildings, and then put out fires by passing buckets of water from whatever point one could pump water to.

greengreyblue · 07/11/2025 19:56

We teach that to year 1/2. They loved it. Currently on The Gunpowder Plot. I guess you’re not too happy with that either.