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To ask how much you think income tax will rise by?

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Wonderofwimbledon · 06/11/2025 20:33

We’re absolutely financially at our limit… I’m so incredibly stressed. An income tax rise will break us and we won’t be able to afford it. We won’t have money to eat.

What do you think it’ll be? I just want to curl up and cry- we can’t take anymore increases our bills , mortgage everything has increased we have no spare money at all

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BloominNora · 09/11/2025 12:41

BionicWomansAnkle · 09/11/2025 12:40

That all sounds entirely sensible and I agree completely. What happened? Were you visited by 3 ghosts or something this morning?

No - if you look back through my posts on this thread you will see it is what I have been stating from the start.

Like I said - it appears to be a misunderstanding

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:42

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:35

In terms of outcomes, what would a ‘good’ budget look like, from your perspective?

I don't think a "good" budget is possible right now. It will be painful for most of us, I expect

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:44

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:42

I don't think a "good" budget is possible right now. It will be painful for most of us, I expect

I agree…

BloominNora · 09/11/2025 12:46

BloominNora · 08/11/2025 09:45

I don't disagree with tax rises.(although I do disagree with them for lower and middle earners - which, for transparency, isn't me)

I was disagreeing with reducing tax efficiencies to stop people paying into pensions.

Changes need to be made system wide not just tinkering on the edges - which is what she's doing. I've said on a previous thread what I would do although I have been refining my thinking since then - tax needs to be simplified and loopholes closed. The biggest issue for the country is the wealth that is flowing outward rather than circulating within the UK.

Obviously this is all very high level and would all have to be modelled properly to find optimal rates and bands etc, but broadly speaking I would:

Increase the lower threshold to something like £20,000.
Create a new band between £50,000 and £80,000 of something like 34%
£80,000 - £175,000 - 42%
£175,000 + - 55% - 60%

I would apply those tax rates to ALL personal income e.g. salary, dividends and interest to take away the incentive for people to incorporate solely to avoid tax. There could be exceptions for dividends where the company employs people, but which eliminates the tax perks for shell and single director Ltd companies where it is being used solely to reduce tax.

I would keep the cash and standard s&s ISA limits at £20k but create a British Investment S&S ISA that focusses investment on British business with a higher investment limit (£30k or £40k)

Introduce the US system where all citizens who live abroad have to produce a tax return on their world wide income and pay any difference in tax between what they have paid in the country in they live and what they would pay in the UK.

Like the US people can choose to give up their citizenship if they don't want to do the tax return but this would come with other consequences such as not being able to keep (or receive in future) any titles.and reduced / more expensive access to UK business opportunities.

I would introduce rules for government contracts and property investment which priortise British businesses including more favourable tax incentives. This would keep more.public money circulating within the UK itself.

Something needs to be done around property investments which stop all the foreign investors buying up property in London which then sits empty. Maybe something like higher stamp duty and capital gains for people / companies that don't pay UK income or corporation tax.

Something also needs to be done for the housing market in terms of private landlords etc - not sure what yet though.

I would bring back PPI for public sector services but crucially I would have very very strict performance requirements and penalties for not meeting them and would increase borrowing to invest in public services (Keynsian model), utilise private companies for efficiency but keep public sector control of the purse strings.

I would look to renationalise utility companies but in a way that works in the modern economy - by making the government major shareholders (like EDF in France), increasing fines and penalties where performance is not up to scratch, and reduce or limit the amount that could be taken as dividends by limiting the profit margins that are allowed (with anything above that limit having to be re-invested)

Ultimately, the aim would need to be for utility companies to operate on a not for profit / low profit basis with the government as major share holders.

Edited

@BionicWomansAnkle - this post of mine from yesterday outlines broadly what I think should be done

BIossomtoes · 09/11/2025 12:47

I don’t think there will ever be a good budget. What would look good to me would give a lot of “slash and burn services in order to cut taxes” posters conniptions.

cityanalyst678 · 09/11/2025 12:51

FurForksSake · 06/11/2025 20:51

The treasury have introduced the concept of those earning £45k or less as “working people” that need more protection from shouldering the burden of tax increases. I think it’s very likely we’ll see a blanket increase of 2-3% on income tax and a corresponding decrease in employee nics as mentioned up thread.

im hopefully they’ll increase the number of council tax bands so that those in very large, very expensive properties are separated out and pay more.

I take it you don’t live in a large house in an expensive area….

Lkjjr · 09/11/2025 13:02

ilovesooty · 09/11/2025 12:34

I'm sure you are grateful that the people you're sneering about do those jobs.

They do a service I pay for.

Locutus2000 · 09/11/2025 13:22

I smell bad faith.

Winter42 · 09/11/2025 13:24

I am a teacher and have spent the last couple of years building my own little tutoring business to supplement my earnings.

If the higher rate tax band is lowered I will probably shut it down as it won't be worth sacrificing my evenings and weekends for what I can earn from it. The only other option would be to massively raise my hourly rates but I just don't think people would pay. (Tutoring already seems expensive (and is) to a lot of people, but the time spent planning the lessons has to be accounted for as well.

It also would not be worth applying for any promotions at work and the hourly take home rate would be laughable.

WunTooThree · 09/11/2025 13:32

Lkjjr · 09/11/2025 11:59

Exactly. You need to be responsible for your own income and jobs and stuff. You can't expect to be on UC forever because "I'm too dumb to get a high paid job, all I can do is stack shelves at Tesco everything else is too hard for me"

Well, that is your true colours shown. Nasty.

I know someone who has been a shelf stacker for decades. She has learning disabilities.

Thankfully, there are no plans by the Gov to reduce UC top ups for low paid jobs, so you can stomp your feet about it all you want and feel smug and inferior over the people who do vital jobs but you don't think deserve to have any sort of life. They can live in poverty or spend every waking hour in multiple jobs.

LonelyFans · 09/11/2025 13:35

Winter42 · 09/11/2025 13:24

I am a teacher and have spent the last couple of years building my own little tutoring business to supplement my earnings.

If the higher rate tax band is lowered I will probably shut it down as it won't be worth sacrificing my evenings and weekends for what I can earn from it. The only other option would be to massively raise my hourly rates but I just don't think people would pay. (Tutoring already seems expensive (and is) to a lot of people, but the time spent planning the lessons has to be accounted for as well.

It also would not be worth applying for any promotions at work and the hourly take home rate would be laughable.

I thought teachers already worked every weekend and evening and holiday as it was?! Thats what we are always being told on Mumsnet. Yet every teacher round here seems to tutor 5 nights a week ...n

StatisticallyChallenged · 09/11/2025 13:39

Winter42 · 09/11/2025 13:24

I am a teacher and have spent the last couple of years building my own little tutoring business to supplement my earnings.

If the higher rate tax band is lowered I will probably shut it down as it won't be worth sacrificing my evenings and weekends for what I can earn from it. The only other option would be to massively raise my hourly rates but I just don't think people would pay. (Tutoring already seems expensive (and is) to a lot of people, but the time spent planning the lessons has to be accounted for as well.

It also would not be worth applying for any promotions at work and the hourly take home rate would be laughable.

This is exactly the situation I'm seeing a fair bit of in Scotland (we already have the lower thresholds and higher rates, although if Reeves follows suit we will probably end up even higher)

There is a point where people decide it's just not worth working more, especially if their needs are met. It ends up stifling innovation and growth - lots of people who would be able to build up businesses or take on extra work in whatever way decide it's not worth it. Instead of getting 20% of your extra earnings, they get 42% of squat all.

See also; the impact of the VAT Threshold on small businesses, especially trades. So many openly admit that they just stop working once they hit the limit because of the impact. It also suppresses employment; many would consider taking on apprentices but the extra income they've need to generate to cover their wage would kick them over the threshold.

Big jumps, cliff edges, dramatic withdrawal rates, loss of childcare in one lump...it's so stupidly inefficient and biting the country in the ass.

Winter42 · 09/11/2025 13:41

LonelyFans · 09/11/2025 13:35

I thought teachers already worked every weekend and evening and holiday as it was?! Thats what we are always being told on Mumsnet. Yet every teacher round here seems to tutor 5 nights a week ...n

I dont bring teaching work home unless it is an exceptional circumstance like mock exams a few times a year. If it doesn't get done in school then it just doesn't get done. I don't work for free.

But thanks for taking the opportunity for another bit of teacher bashing. It's nice to be valued as ever.

littlebilliie · 09/11/2025 14:18

LonelyFans · 09/11/2025 13:35

I thought teachers already worked every weekend and evening and holiday as it was?! Thats what we are always being told on Mumsnet. Yet every teacher round here seems to tutor 5 nights a week ...n

@LonelyFans what a depressing response, I thought this group was to uplift women not have a side swipe 🙄

Lkjjr · 09/11/2025 14:36

WunTooThree · 09/11/2025 13:32

Well, that is your true colours shown. Nasty.

I know someone who has been a shelf stacker for decades. She has learning disabilities.

Thankfully, there are no plans by the Gov to reduce UC top ups for low paid jobs, so you can stomp your feet about it all you want and feel smug and inferior over the people who do vital jobs but you don't think deserve to have any sort of life. They can live in poverty or spend every waking hour in multiple jobs.

I have a lot of sympathy and understanding if someone is physically or mentally disabled and only capable of such work. Do the vast majority of people in such work (who never progress) have a disability of some kind?

WunTooThree · 09/11/2025 14:45

Lkjjr · 09/11/2025 14:36

I have a lot of sympathy and understanding if someone is physically or mentally disabled and only capable of such work. Do the vast majority of people in such work (who never progress) have a disability of some kind?

Those jobs need doing, and they should pay enough to live on. It does not matter who is doing them.
Your insinuation that the low paid jobs should just be for disabled people is sinister.
Life is for living, not working.

Somuchtodotoolittletimetodoit · 09/11/2025 14:45

JulianClarysDog · 06/11/2025 20:46

It REALLY fucks me off that this term ‘working people’ is to exclude people who work incredibly hard, just because their position pays a higher salary. It’s SO insulting and divisive.

100% this. I work bloody hard. My business employs over 200 people and I routinely work 50+ hours a week but because I earn more I’m not deemed to be a “working person”. They can fuck the fuck off.

My business simply can’t recruit or grow as planned if we can’t afford to invest because of constantly changing and increasing taxes. This government have absolutely no idea how to create an environment for growth. It’s so depressing.

Damnthetorpedoes · 09/11/2025 14:50

BIossomtoes · 09/11/2025 12:47

I don’t think there will ever be a good budget. What would look good to me would give a lot of “slash and burn services in order to cut taxes” posters conniptions.

Go on, please.

LonelyFans · 09/11/2025 15:25

Winter42 · 09/11/2025 13:41

I dont bring teaching work home unless it is an exceptional circumstance like mock exams a few times a year. If it doesn't get done in school then it just doesn't get done. I don't work for free.

But thanks for taking the opportunity for another bit of teacher bashing. It's nice to be valued as ever.

It's not teacher bashing. I would just like to see some honesty on the threads. All the teachers I know in real life have plenty of leisure time/time for tutoring. And that's fine. I am glad that is the case.

Plantatreetoday · 09/11/2025 15:45

WunTooThree · 09/11/2025 13:32

Well, that is your true colours shown. Nasty.

I know someone who has been a shelf stacker for decades. She has learning disabilities.

Thankfully, there are no plans by the Gov to reduce UC top ups for low paid jobs, so you can stomp your feet about it all you want and feel smug and inferior over the people who do vital jobs but you don't think deserve to have any sort of life. They can live in poverty or spend every waking hour in multiple jobs.

A person working Full time on the minimum wage ( so £22,222/yr ) with an average rental cost doesn’t get any UC.
Even with £0 savings

so they won’t be affected by changes in UC anyway.

Lkjjr · 09/11/2025 16:05

WunTooThree · 09/11/2025 14:45

Those jobs need doing, and they should pay enough to live on. It does not matter who is doing them.
Your insinuation that the low paid jobs should just be for disabled people is sinister.
Life is for living, not working.

They "should" pay whatever the skillset leads the pay to be.

Many of the employers of these low pay jobs operate in industries where the profit margins are absolutely tiny.

If they are magically all forced to pay more, what do you think is going to happen?

soupyspoon · 09/11/2025 16:49

Plantatreetoday · 09/11/2025 15:45

A person working Full time on the minimum wage ( so £22,222/yr ) with an average rental cost doesn’t get any UC.
Even with £0 savings

so they won’t be affected by changes in UC anyway.

Whats an average rental cost?

Plantatreetoday · 09/11/2025 16:57

soupyspoon · 09/11/2025 16:49

Whats an average rental cost?

Varies by area
and local councils set a max allowable
by type of accommodation that they will subsidise

Using the gross minimum wage salary of £22,222 you can check UC by inputting rent in your area

( all variations I’ve done give a person £0 in UC )

ScholesPanda · 09/11/2025 22:59

If you're a household containing two doctors working full-time and a change of a couple of percentage points in income tax rates would leave you destitute, there's something very wrong with your life OP. If it wasn't taxes it could be increases in interest rates on your mortgage, or further increases in inflation. You should have a reasonably comfortable life (possibly not super comfortable whilst you're both junior doctors). I doubt you have much sympathy for people far poorer than you who struggle.

If you disagree with what the government are doing and think we should be cutting public services, school budgets, NHS services, benefits for the disabled etc. that's a political point of view. You can hold that view regardless of how much money you have spare.

TodaRythm · 09/11/2025 23:43

We warned about it: if you vote for Brexit, it will fuck up the country beyond recognition.
People are reaping what they sowed.

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