AIBU to feedback to school about teachers use of glottal stops

[TalomaPaith]

Children at Dcs school are split into different groups for phonics.

Parents are sometimes invited to watch lessons. I observed a lesson by a teacher using glottal stops I.e Let'er instead of letter.

Would IBU to mention this?

Nah, the staff would love it. She would be the talk of the staff room.

Clearly. I meant “one of the many Scottish accents”. I did not say “a teacher with THE Scottish accent”, did I? Like when I say I have a northern Irish accent, I mean I have one of the accents identifiable in this part of the world. Obviously I don’t think there is only one.

Which accent has pronouncing S as “th” as a feature? That’s the only way in which that would be comparable as an example.

(and in any case, yes, of course I would be fine with a teacher who had a lisp. It’s just a speech difference, not a moral issue.)

Yes, one definitely should not complain about speech impediments, because it is discriminatory. I am honestly blown away that people would think otherwise!!!

how about the left handed - should we ban them from teaching because they don’t write “correctly”????

You do know it's difficult for most people in the south east to understand a very thick Scottish accent?

@GarlicBreadStan how many garlic baguettes do you eat per day?

@TalomaPaith Your daughter's got a mum problem, not a teacher problem.

Ok biggy

Ok, this is, as we knew, a lost cause. OP believes an accent marks someone out as an “underclass”.

So you think it would be perfectly fine for a teacher to be teaching children to read and telling them that s is pronounced as th?

It's not at all comparable to left-handedness, because the desired outcome of learning to write is legible writing and the hand you do it with is irrelevant.

Telling a child that "say" is pronounced "thay" is wrong however you look at it.

You wouldn't get a PE teacher in a wheelchair would you?

Not enough to be able to cope with your bullshit

I hate threads about accents because they always get really unpleasant.

I think I can see the OP’s point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having an accent but I would expect a teacher to say “butter” and “water” not “bu’er” and “wa’er”.

I think my test of whether a regional difference would be a problem is when it would cause problems for a well educated foreigner (someone for whom English is a second or third language). Upthread someone said that they would pronounce “clothes” as “cloves”. If a Swede or German were to go into a grocery shop and buy cloves when asked to buy clothes, that is a problem.

I remember someone (on a thread about accents years ago) writing that they “just loved hearing working class city accents”. This makes me think that they don’t have those accents (and their children certainly don’t).

It would be a real hypocrisy if I were to say that it’s fine for children to have “bu’er” and “wa’er” modelled to them by their teachers when I make sure that my children say “butter” and “water”.

the teacher could explain that they speak differently and could use other resources to model the S sound. It’s really not a big deal. The teacher is hardly going to correct a child saying S and tell them to say “th” are they??

I had a teacher with a Dublin accent in primary school. Believe me, we didn’t all start speaking with Dublin accents. She said things differently like the name of the letter R as “or” and the name of the letter A as “ah” but explained she said it differently than we did because she grew up in a different place. I see absolutely no issue with this, same with a speech difference like a lisp or whatever.

I can’t bear a snob. They are thick

How about if someone from the south of England with an RP accent asked a swede to buy a pore cleanser but they went and bought a paw cleanser for dogs? presumably you’d think that it would have been clear with context or that some follow up questions would be natural? Same with an accent where clothes and cloves are homophones.

or would you say, actually this is evidence that only people who pronounce their Rs should be teaching children so that this misunderstanding doenst happen? I don’t think you would.…

Actually this was a very common perception when I was at school. We were given lessons in correct speech " speech and drama classes" Mind you the teachers were all well spoken also.

I'm Essex born and bred but apparently had a bit of a west country accent as that was where my mum was from. . Nowadays people don't seem to be able to place where I'm from apart from " home counties"

It’s still a very common perception now. People aren’t just usually as explicit about their bigotry as OP is.

I have to admit that I do like " well spoken" people. Jacob Rees Mogg for example. I wouldn't choose a partner who was cockney or had broad estuary English for example as it would grate on me

Dear god 😂

Cheers for clarifying.

Asking if someone is Scottish is derogatory?

The prejudice is yours

Keep digging.

🤣 OK. Asking someone if they're Scottish is offensive. As I said, prejudice is yours lowlander.