Ban male nursery workers?

[BluntPlumHam]

I came across this article which has left me quite sick.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze665j2y51o.amp

Said 18 year old was newly qualified nursery worker who’d SA’d and raped 3 year olds.

Nurseries are desperate for workers and I have noticed through friends and families that there is now an increasing number of men entering the profession.

Men traditionally haven’t performed this role and I often find it difficult to envisage what attracts a male to this profession to begin with when we have so many instances of men who run away from childcare responsibilities.

Although men entering the profession can be a positive outcome the other very concerning outcome and on the potential rise is this.

Sex offenders will target this profession no doubt as it gives them easy access to children.

men are significantly more likely than women to sexually assault children.
Official statistics consistently show that the vast majority of individuals convicted of, or reported for, child sexual abuse (CSA) are male. For example:

• In the year ending March 2019, the Crime Survey for England and Wales found that 92% of adults who reported experiencing CSA said the perpetrator was male only.
• In 2022/23, almost 99% of individuals convicted of child sexual abuse offences in the UK were men.
• Reports to the Australian Royal Commission by victims and survivors of institutional abuse revealed that 93.9% of the abuse was perpetrated by an adult man.

So just a blanket ban on them all together ?

It isn’t my personal opinion but I do think we ought to have measures in place to make nurseries more secure and safer. This thread is to invite discussion.

Also, kudos to those brave little 3 year olds who had the courage to tell their parents because they’ve saved a lot of potential victims in the future. My thoughts and wishes for a life time of healing for them and theirs.

Who is the we you talk of? It doesn't include me.

Absolute nonsense.

Nor me, despite my own history of CSA, although I always prefer a female GP, and will ask for one. I also was grateful to have a female police officer interview me about my historical abuse, and I wouldn’t ever want a male therapist.

Otherwise I’m comfortable with male professionals, for example in A&E or when having medical procedures. When I had an endoscopy last week, I had a man lead it and it really didn’t bother me. It wasn’t as if I was on my own with him or having to discuss something intimate with him.

I thought this was sarcasm at first, but you're actually serious? So you want female police officers and MH workers to put themselves in harms way and restrain dangerous men without help from bigger stronger (good) men? Or you want to have ALL men banished somewhere?

Rubbish - more men need to break the stereotype and enter the caring professions.

Of course women can be as good surgeons as men.
For various reasons, however, mandating only women to operate on women would be problematic. Surgery requires long hours compared to other specialties, one reason why women often prefer one that can fit better with young kids. Obviously this leads us to a discussion of the double burden, but I doubt that will be solved soon, though people in general should try
Another issue is that women on average have higher empathy : this is an asset to surgery but otoh can make burnout more likely. Obviously this shouldn't stop women going into surgery and can be ameliorated. But both of these things could contribute to there not being sufficient women if you mandated only women to operate on women or kids.
Otoh, there IS the option to choose to have a female surgeon. My mother did this when she had a tumour removed from her breast, and she was very glad there was that option. Not to mention that some very religious Jewish or Muslim women might want a female doctor. Or women who've experienced abuse. The point is that everyone should have that choice of gender, for whatever reason.

But saying NO men for ALL those jobs is absurd.

Oh my gosh, you think us little delicate women can’t handle a few drunken football hooligans? What is this the 1950’s? What else can’t we do while we’re at it? This whole notion that men are ‘stronger’ than us is so sexist and rooted in a misogynistic ideology that justifies them treating us like second class citizens. Break out of the gosh darn matrix for crying out loud!

Oh what a great idea! And when thousands more women and girls are abused at the hands of opportunist men, you can look them in the eye and tell them it was all worth it for equality!

Errr, it may be less and less important the more we automate our lives, and not relevant to many of the times it's used, but it is rooted in the truth than men in general are physically much stronger than women in general. It's neither exist nor misogynistic to know that as a fact, only to misuse it.

If I was part of a group trapped in a house in the event of a fire and it was possible that it would require brute strength to rescue us, then I would prefer each fire applience sent to have 5 men in it than any other configuration.

Oh right well apparently us women can just fight any man off then so no need to refer to any women as "vulnerable" or ban men from certain jobs being around women then is there...

I wouldn't mind a woman if she was strong enough. But yes, on average men are stronger and more able to meet the standard.

Women ARE more physically vulnerable on average. And thus it's right for women to be able to choose a female GP, surgeon etc

Otoh wholesale bans are inappropriate (except for nurseries) because the risk men in professional settings pose to adult women or older kids of both sexes is different from the risk they pose to nonverbal babies & toddlers.

What's really sexist is accepting patriarchal values that value physical strength over things like intelligence, courage, kindness that women possess just as much as men do. Women being less physically strong on average is NO justification to deny us equality. A society that values might above all is an ugly society.

You have to option to ask for a female doctor or surgeon. This doesn't require banning all men .

Also comparing ill women to tiny babies and toddlers is false comparison: there are obviously vulnerabilities but even many ill women are still not as vulnerable as babies and toddlers.

My child wasn't a baby or a toddler. All I cared about was having the best, most skilled paediatric eye surgeon to perform the surgery.

It's no good some poster saying women can be surgeons, some surgeons are better than others and that isn't anything to do with sex. My child's surgeon was a pioneer and when he was running a training day about what he was pioneering my child was proud to be one of his "exhibits" I have no regrets about the very difficult decisions we had to make.

I completely agree! This wasn't meant to be criticising your post : I should have made that clear, I'm sorry.

"This whole notion that men are ‘stronger’ than us is so sexist"

Of course it is pure sexism - must be why feminists have no issues with male athletes "identifying" as female competing in women's sports🙄

Contrary to what you claim, it is in NO way definitive that Letby injected insulin. Geoff Chase, for one, a global expert on the effect of insulin on preterm babies, is on record as saying that this is NOT proved by any evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/feb/07/strong-reasonable-doubt-over-lucy-letby-insulin-convictions-experts-say?utm_source=chatgpt.com

May I ask please where you got that info about a whole new file of evidence? Do you have a link? I googled but could not find...

Utterly ridiculous!

Trans women aren’t exactly setting the athletic world on fire are they? So that kind of proves the point that strength differences between men and women don’t exist.

Spot the MRA with their sophomoric parody of feminism.

Yes agree OP.

There is a very similar story to this in my community. Young lad, wanting to work in a nursery, offered babysitting to gain experience (people offered their children up!) Well you can imagine the rest. This is intelligent educated people.

Many comments by people I know saying WHY does a young lad want to work in a nursery. I agreed with them.

The figures on the paedophiles, rapists, violent assaults being men are sky high, compared to women. There’s some biology in it.

Contrary to what you claim, it is in NO way definitive that Letby injected insulin. Geoff Chase, for one, a global expert on the effect of insulin on preterm babies, is on record as saying that this is NOT proved by any evidence.

And every other insulin expert agrees the test results are VERY out of the norm and only point to insulin being administered maliciously. Geoff Chase is not even an insulin expert, he's an engineer and even he had to concede the results were unusual. And that's the best Letby's barrister could do after scouring the globe for absolutely anyone to try and cast doubt on her guilt. Add that to the fact one of these babies' twin brothers also died suddenly of something completely different whilst having been in Letby's care and it makes it very hard to see how she could possibly be innocent.

May I ask please where you got that info about a whole new file of evidence? Do you have a link? I googled but could not find...

Surprised you didn't know already but then I suppose the conspiracy theorists are trying to keep that all under wraps!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yl273mlryo

His work involves mathematical and computational modeling of insulin kinetics, exactly what we need here : understanding how much insulin would be required to produce the observed blood results.
Complex cases regularly call on engineers, statisticians etc for technical claims : this isn't unusual.

Tragically, preterm twins are at higher risk of complications like infections, sudden collapse, and organ failure. Letby isn't the only possible reason why the twins may have been in extra danger..

I don't know if Letby is guilty or not, I'm 50:50 about it.

But one thing is 100% and that is that it is a very unsafe conviction.

There's not one shred of hard evidence she killed any of the babies, its all circumstantial. Her defence did an appalling job, including not countering the evidence of notes from a therapy session. A doctor lied in court that she had not called for help, with an email that he wrote but wasn't given to the defence later coming to light stating that she did. The unit had previously been judged unsafe on its inspection.

Her case is of absolutely zero relevance to the discussion about whether men should be working in nurseries.