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To remind you all of this BEFORE the Poppy becomes a divisive symbol

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OneAmusedShark · 31/10/2025 18:17

That in the First and Second World Wars, literally hundreds as thousands of black and Asian people fought for Britain.

They answered the call, as volunteers, to fight in the trenches side by side with white British soldiers.

Soldiers from Africa, the Caribbean and what is now India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs…
they all did their bit.

Winston Churchill is on record praising them. He said “The bravery of Indian soldiers, both Hindu and Muslim, is unparalleled in the history of warfare”,

Don’t forget also the Eastern Europeans who fought the Nazis alongside us,
especially the Polish airmen.

And remember this, when the Americans came over with their segregated units,
and tried to impose segregation in local pubs and cafes near where they were stationed, Churchill refused to assist them.

Remember the Battle of Bamber Bridge where white US military police tried to stop black troops from drinking in certain pubs, and the local British population sided with the black troops.

So if you’re white British, next time you see someone of African, Caribbean or Asian heritage, just remember that their Grandfather or Great Grandfather or Great Great Grandfather may have fought alongside yours in WW1 or WW2.

When we wear the Poppy,
we remember ALL of them and give thanks for their sacrifice.

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Bbq1 · 09/11/2025 09:40

Anditstartedagain · 31/10/2025 18:21

The poppy is already divisive. It’s become a pro war symbol.

How? It hasn't. The Poppy appeal goes to ex service personnel as it always has. How is that divisive. I will always wear a poppy to remember the fallen including members of my family.

Bbq1 · 09/11/2025 09:43

ginasevern · 08/11/2025 18:39

I think many people don't know this OP. I'm well aware because my father was a medic in the war and worked alongside Sikhs, Muslims and people from the Caribbean. Each year I attend a memorial service for different nationalities that fought and died in the war. On Tuesday I will be attending a Sikh service that I have graciously been invited to.

Surely most people know that people of all nationalities served during the war. As it was a, World War it involved many different races - grateful for them all.

BreadandCircus · 09/11/2025 09:51

Bbq1 · 09/11/2025 09:40

How? It hasn't. The Poppy appeal goes to ex service personnel as it always has. How is that divisive. I will always wear a poppy to remember the fallen including members of my family.

It’s divisive because ex-service personnel aren’t necessarily ‘heroes’. As I seem to keep saying in these threads, Soldier F is ‘ex-service personnel’, and he and his colleagues in the Parachute Regiment shot and killed civilians they knew were unarmed, and were allowed to get away with it for more than fifty years by the British establishment in a series of whitewashing tribunals, until it was simply too late to get a prosecution, though it is now acknowledged that there is ‘no doubt’ that ‘Soldier F’ shot three victims, including one in the back of the head as he helped another victim. The same regiment implicated in the Ballymurphy massacre.

Excuse me for thinking the situation is considerably more complex than ‘Help for Heroes’.

x2boys · 09/11/2025 09:56

Arlanymor · 31/10/2025 18:26

Load of people know this already. Lots of us choose not to wear a poppy - I remember listening to a chap who was a 92-year-old World War Two veteran who stopped wearing a poppy because he thought the sentiment had been hijacked by politicians to sell dubious wars. And it has. So I don't wear one.

Depending on how long ago that was he either wasn't old enough to have fought in WW2 are barely old enough when it ended.

Anditstartedagain · 09/11/2025 10:35

Bbq1 · 09/11/2025 09:40

How? It hasn't. The Poppy appeal goes to ex service personnel as it always has. How is that divisive. I will always wear a poppy to remember the fallen including members of my family.

Even before the second world war there were concerns it was linked to a glorification of war. It’s not about where the money is going, it’s about war been seen as a noble thing. This is why the white poppy was brought out. I’m not sure this is a suitable day to be having this conversation. I finding raising it to today disrespectful.

There are still many ex service personnel now who don’t like the way the poppy symbol is used for a whole host of reason including for showing war as positive way to die and honouring it and for the lip service of politican while providing limited support to veteran throughout the year.

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