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BIL cancer and way forward

157 replies

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 06:18

I have name changed for this as I am a long time poster but have never spoken about this part of our lives in detail as its not something we center our lives around but its there nonetheless.

There is a lot of detail to the this (as its a lifetime) and I cant possibly tell the whole story without writing a novel, so please ask questions if you feel they are relevant and excuse me if I dont cover all the information upfront. Also, we are not in the UK.

My DHs brother, my BIL has not had a very productive life as an adult. He hasnt held down a relationship or marriage for longer than two years, is generally a difficult character with strange ideas, he has been financially reckless to the point of almost living on the street and has never looked after his health. My DH wouldnt consider their relationship close but if you had to ask my BIL he would say that they are. Its a strange dynamic of a younger brother being the one who has always looked after the older brother due to his bad decisions and inability to 'grow up'. My BIL would say this out of love but my DH would say it was out of obligation. Neither of their parents are alive anymore so they are each others only immediate blood relations (besides for kids). My BIL has a daughter in her early twenties from a short marriage.

My BIL was diagnosed with a brain lesion a few years ago which was causing seizures, he was on medical leave from work (he was employed by us prior to this, but this is another story) and we discovered that he was living in a flat in town but had gambled away his entire insurance payout and sold all his belongings and was sleeping on the floor. We uplifted him and placed him in a residential home / care environment where got a roof over his head and 3 meals a day at our expense. His health deteriorated and we took him to the doctor and the lesion had turned into a brain tumour (grade 4 aggressive, Im not sure of the pathology). He underwent a resection, they removed the tumour and he had chemo and radiation. He returned to the care facility but is now in frail care as he is not coping with normal day to day life. The tumour itself has caused brain damage and his cognitive function is impaired. His motor skills are getting worse and worse. He is struggling with bowel control. My DH speaks to him once a week on the phone and I get updates from the nurses at the facility. All his care, medical etc are paid for by us at a fairly large expense but we can afford it luckily.

My DH is struggling with the idea that his DBs life is effectively in his hands and he has to make decisions about his care and well-being. Obviously, if the relationship had been close and 'normal' then I think he would feel different. We (my DH) have to now decide whether we take my BIL in for follow up brain scans. We have been told that the tumour will likely reappear in the next few years after the surgery (its been a year now), he has had one follow up scan which was clear. We dont have all the medical info as we havent always been involved in his oncology appointments and have struggled to get doctors to communicate with us when the patient is an adult himself so the messages we have received have been mixed, ie some say they would operate again if it reappeared, others have said they wouldnt.

We have noticed in the last few phone calls and conversations with his carers that his condition seems to have gone downhill again. What do we do? Do we go back to his medical team and have scans so we know what is going on inside his brain? Do we leave it and let a very aggressive cancer take its course? His quality of life is pretty rubbish and I dont see it improving. We have had to tell the care home to not let him out anymore as he is catching taxis and ubers at his free will and its not safe outside of the facility for him My BIL wouldnt be able to understand this conversation if we tried to have it with him.

I feel like Ive left out a whole lot of details which make the question sound quite callous and uncaring. What do we do?

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SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:03

HeavenInMyHeart · 30/10/2025 06:55

OP you’ve clearly made up your mind so why did you post?

Because in spite of what you think, we are actually good people who have done the right thing by caring for someone who nobody else cares about. He literally does not have a single person besides my DH who has any capacity to assist him.

I know you think that my opinion of my BIL taints the care I am willing to give but I have just given a full view of the situation because it adds complexity. We have literally set ourselves on fire to keep my BIL safe and alive these last few years and I dont know when enough is enough... medically. So Im asking here.

These are not easy decisions to make and Ive simply wanted to crowd source some opinions. If you have nothing further to add and simply think you know a stranger on the internet from one post, then please just leave.

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BastardtheCat · 30/10/2025 07:05

@AnnaMagnani
@SweetSunshineSA

Anna’s post is so helpful and very relevant OP.

Your DH’s family dynamic has clearly hurt him over time. This must be hard for him. Nevertheless, your sense of duty has brought you both to this point and you really must see it through.

What care would he receive without these scans? Would they be able to start a palliative care package without these scans?

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:05

Thank you everyone. I will try and get his oncologist to speak to me or my DH so we can see a path forward. This in itself is a challenge when we are not the patient.

I have just read up about palliative chemo, I didnt know that was a thing.

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Nifty50something · 30/10/2025 07:05

I have a sister who sounds similar to your BiL in terms of life history and no way would I make myself responsible for her care should she ever need it. If I were you and your DH I would take a giant step back and make it clear to everyone that the state needs to step in to make decisions and pay for BiL's care.

The way I see it, my sibling is not my responsibility - I never chose to have a sibling, I know she would do rock all for me in a similar situation and she has been responsible for her own choices to get to thie stage she's at with no one in her life who cares about her. I think you and your DH have gone above and beyond already and whatever you do should feel absolutely no guilt at all about it.

If you want to keep paying then great your choice, but for sure don't feel obligated to do more.

GnomeDePlume · 30/10/2025 07:06

I see parallels with the care of elderly parents. My DM is in a similar situation except that with her it is dementia which is progressing. She receives treatment for various conditions. She needs a pacemaker but may not survive the procedure.

To be honest I do think 'what's the point?'.

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:08

BastardtheCat · 30/10/2025 07:05

@AnnaMagnani
@SweetSunshineSA

Anna’s post is so helpful and very relevant OP.

Your DH’s family dynamic has clearly hurt him over time. This must be hard for him. Nevertheless, your sense of duty has brought you both to this point and you really must see it through.

What care would he receive without these scans? Would they be able to start a palliative care package without these scans?

He is in a facility that offers end of life care so Im sure he would get whatever treatment is needed. And Im sure they would look after him.

I guess my ultimate question is whether it is worth knowing what is going on?

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BastardtheCat · 30/10/2025 07:08

TheWondetHorse makes a very good point.

ExtraOnions · 30/10/2025 07:09

If his mental state is how it is, you have left it too late for POA.

He needs to be assessed to see if he has Capacity to make decisions around his care needs.

We went through this when Mum had her Stroke, she wanted to go home… which was impractical and frankly dangerous - Social Services & the Medical Team assessed her as lacking capacity to make decisions on care, which is why she now lives in a care home.

Contact Social Services, and start to process around Capacity … I’m suprised the facility he’s in, and the current medical professionals have not already suggest this, if he is as he sounds.

As for “continuing care” it’s almost impossible to get… in the situation you described I wouldn’t bother.

Cannedlaughter · 30/10/2025 07:10

Is there someone else you could give power of attorney too. Could you hand that to social services? I would contact his social worker and if he doesn’t have one, request he does.
I think you need to step back and let someone else take care of the decisions. There is obviously more to your relationship or how he has behaved in the past. You don’t even have to pay for his care and he is very lucky you do.

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:10

BastardtheCat · 30/10/2025 07:08

TheWondetHorse makes a very good point.

Yes I think you are right. We need to make decisions with his oncologist otherwise my DH is going to need years of therapy if he carries this decision alone.

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SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:12

@ExtraOnions @Cannedlaughter

We do not live in the UK. Social services, the state, funded care homes etc exist but are either useless or we will all be dead by the time they get around to our case.

I dont really see the point in legally getting POA again because it would take so long and secondly, we make all the decisions and pay for everything already.

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Anditstartedagain · 30/10/2025 07:13

OP isn’t in the UK. I think you need some legal/carers advice specific to the country you are in.

The the UK a care home can’t just decide a person can’t leave. It’s all very different.

TeaBoxFlower · 30/10/2025 07:13

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:05

Thank you everyone. I will try and get his oncologist to speak to me or my DH so we can see a path forward. This in itself is a challenge when we are not the patient.

I have just read up about palliative chemo, I didnt know that was a thing.

I have just read up about palliative chemo, I didnt know that was a thing

This sums up exactly why you (Your DH) needs to go back to the medical team. You and your DH are not doctors. You can't make medical decisions without knowing the facts of the brothers medical condition or his potential treatment options.
As a layman, you're not well enough informed to make any decision right now

Kirbert2 · 30/10/2025 07:14

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:05

Thank you everyone. I will try and get his oncologist to speak to me or my DH so we can see a path forward. This in itself is a challenge when we are not the patient.

I have just read up about palliative chemo, I didnt know that was a thing.

Palliative radiotherapy is also a thing if that helps.

ThisIsMyBurnerPhone · 30/10/2025 07:14

I’m genuinely confused why this is on you and your DH to make medical decisions. Either your BIL has capacity to make these himself, or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t then someone needs to have Power of Attorney for his health decisions. That could be his daughter, it could be your DH or it could be someone else entirely or the state. At the moment you’ve told the home not to let him out to get Ubers, but what legal powers are they using to keep him in? Without a legal framework and safeguards, this sounds like possibly unlawful detention. Whatever country you are in, there will be people with expertise in this who can guide you. Even without the emotional complexity, this should not be on you both to decide on his behalf, without any checks and balances.

ThisIsMyBurnerPhone · 30/10/2025 07:16

What country are you in OP? I’ve seen your post about not bothering with social services but there will be laws and I’m confused that you’re saying he will be dead before a POA decision. If you let us know the country, posters can help you better.

ExtraOnions · 30/10/2025 07:17

Also Doctors should be making decisions based on the best interests of the patient, regardless of the country .. it’s not always about asking relatives to make a decision

Again when Mum has a stroke, a Dr came to see us to say that there was surgery they could do but, it was invasive, risky, and would probably not make much of a difference, so they would not be doing it as it wasn’t in the Patients best interests.

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:18

ThisIsMyBurnerPhone · 30/10/2025 07:14

I’m genuinely confused why this is on you and your DH to make medical decisions. Either your BIL has capacity to make these himself, or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t then someone needs to have Power of Attorney for his health decisions. That could be his daughter, it could be your DH or it could be someone else entirely or the state. At the moment you’ve told the home not to let him out to get Ubers, but what legal powers are they using to keep him in? Without a legal framework and safeguards, this sounds like possibly unlawful detention. Whatever country you are in, there will be people with expertise in this who can guide you. Even without the emotional complexity, this should not be on you both to decide on his behalf, without any checks and balances.

You clearly dont know much about where we live.... Ill forgive you.

Id love to have the luxury of a state that assists with these things but unfortunately the reality is that if we hadnt intervened when we did, his landlord would have kicked him, he would have lived on the streets for as long as he could have survived, he would have been taken to a doctor to discover the peach sized tumour and he would be dead. Even if he had managed to find his way into our govt health system they probably dont have the facilities to treat him and they would have begun palliative care 2 years ago.

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SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:19

ExtraOnions · 30/10/2025 07:17

Also Doctors should be making decisions based on the best interests of the patient, regardless of the country .. it’s not always about asking relatives to make a decision

Again when Mum has a stroke, a Dr came to see us to say that there was surgery they could do but, it was invasive, risky, and would probably not make much of a difference, so they would not be doing it as it wasn’t in the Patients best interests.

Im in Africa...

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OwlBeThere · 30/10/2025 07:23

of course you get the scans.

Jesus wept.

babyproblems · 30/10/2025 07:24

Very very difficult. I think your brother might benefit from some counselling to help process what’s been before and also what he would like to do for his brother, maybe some would help you also?? I say him because a lot of what you say is about his family / parental dynamic. Ultimately you’re not responsible for anyone other than your children, however you’ve already done a lot so I feel you can’t ’abandon’ him at this point and if you can afford it in terms of money and time, you should probably help him to some degree. What degree though is the question. This is a complex question so I do think counselling might help. Lots of luck to all involved x

OnlyOnAFriday · 30/10/2025 07:27

Africa may well make things very tricky then. There obviously is good medical facilities available from what you've said about his previous treatment.

At the care facility do they employ any nurses? Is there a linked doctor? I'd be trying to talk to someone who already has contact/oversight of his care and say you think he is deteriorating and asking what they think should happen.

SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:31

babyproblems · 30/10/2025 07:24

Very very difficult. I think your brother might benefit from some counselling to help process what’s been before and also what he would like to do for his brother, maybe some would help you also?? I say him because a lot of what you say is about his family / parental dynamic. Ultimately you’re not responsible for anyone other than your children, however you’ve already done a lot so I feel you can’t ’abandon’ him at this point and if you can afford it in terms of money and time, you should probably help him to some degree. What degree though is the question. This is a complex question so I do think counselling might help. Lots of luck to all involved x

Thank you. Yes I have suggested this to him. Its a lot to carry for one person.

A lot of what he does for his brother is duty and obligation and he is very angry that he is not doing it out of love. Its complex.

I have taken what everyone has said on board here and will contact his oncologist.

I really do understand everyones confusion about POA etc as that would be the most logical thing to do in a system that works but I just dont see the point. It would involve a lengthy process in a flawed system, legal costs and the result would still be the same.. My Dh would be in control and have to make all the decisions. My BIL has no money so that would not be a factor.

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SweetSunshineSA · 30/10/2025 07:34

OnlyOnAFriday · 30/10/2025 07:27

Africa may well make things very tricky then. There obviously is good medical facilities available from what you've said about his previous treatment.

At the care facility do they employ any nurses? Is there a linked doctor? I'd be trying to talk to someone who already has contact/oversight of his care and say you think he is deteriorating and asking what they think should happen.

Yes, our private healthcare is world class if you can afford it.

There are nurses but Im not sure of the quality of the nurses, they are certainly not hospital nurses. No linked doctors. I think most of the residents there would be seen to by a government clinic periodically and then that would only be if the patient needs urgent or chronic care. My BIL has never been in the government healthcare system so I imagine getting him in would take time and then I have to ask myself, what would they do for him? So again, it would come down to my DH.

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Strangesally20 · 30/10/2025 07:38

When he was first diagnosed and had full capacity did yous have any conversations about what an acceptable life would look like for him? Did his medical team have these conversations with him? With his type of cancer and the treatment required I would assume that it was always a possibility that he would end up with a degree of brain damage, of course it’s difficult to predict to what degree that may present but I would assume that these conversations would have taken place? I don’t work in the area of brain cancer/surgery but in an ICU, when someone has had an injury/illness which has caused brain damage we would always ask the families to consider what the patient would want. Some people would want to continue with full treatment in the hope of improvement even if that means relying on others for all their care, some would deem that an unacceptable level of dependency and would rather focus care on comfort and not life sustaining treatments, neither are wrong it’s a very individual choice. I would have a chat with his medical team, and have a think about old conversation with him (and if he is still well enough to have these chats now) and try and think about what HE would want.