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The Mandela effect

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Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 22/10/2025 20:15

Does anyone have any strong assertions that their false memories are real, even though it's been proven they are not?

I've just read about 100 people all absolutely swearing that the fruit of the loom logo had a cornucopia. I don't remember it with one at all, I think they're all batshit, honestly 😄

I also don't think there was a movie called shabaaz or whatever it was, I don't think Mandela died in prison and I don't think the monopoly man had a monocle

What I am am absolutely certain of though, is that walkers bloody well DID change their crisp colours!!!

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PixieandMe · 23/10/2025 16:30

I listened to a podcast about this recently and my OH told me about the James Bond one.

https://www.cbr.com/james-bond-moonraker-jaws-dolly-braces-legend-mandela-effect/

OH is a huge Bond fan and he said he was always convinced that the young lady was indeed wearing braces. Apparently the producer said that she was never wearing braces but that he wished he had thought of that as it would have worked well!

How James Bond's Moonraker Spurred a Strange Dental Legend

In the latest Movie Legends Revealed, discover how an offbeat romance in a James Bond film led to an ever more offbeat legend about...orthodontics ?

https://www.cbr.com/james-bond-moonraker-jaws-dolly-braces-legend-mandela-effect/

Algen · 23/10/2025 16:31

I wonder if some of the people who remember playing between the stones actually went to Avebury before / after Stonehenge? You could definitely go between the stones there at least as late as 2000, don’t know if you still can.

PixieandMe · 23/10/2025 16:34

nomas · 23/10/2025 14:49

I have memories of walking through the Stone Henge stones on a school trip as a child in the late 1980s and touching all the stones.

However, Google says Stone Henge was roped off in 1977.

Is there a false memory? Or did anyone else do this in the 80s/90s?

I was born in 1971. We didn't live that far from Stonehenge and regularly used to park up and walk up right up to the stones, touch them etc. as kids.

I remember seeing on the local news one day that Portsmouth FC fans had spray painted 'PFC' onto one of the stones. I can still see it now, blue spray paint. In my memory, it was after this event that they were roped off and a visitor centre put in.

I don't think you could walk up to them as last as the last 1980's, no. 1977 sounds right.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 23/10/2025 16:34

My DMum insisted Derek Jacobi was dead for over a decade - so everything new he was in couldn't be was new - she did finally conceed she might be wrong.

I think he had a series of heart attacks when filming something and either there was mis- reporting or she mis connected the dots but over 20 years later he's still around.

MsWilmottsGhost · 23/10/2025 16:36

Rituelec · 22/10/2025 20:24

Walkers did used to be blue for salt and vinegar.

Walkers were always the other way around from Golden Wonder as far back as I remember.

When I was little Golden Wonder were the most common crisp brand round our way, then Walkers suddenly popped up everywhere instead and I remember at school we all moaned about their Salt and Vinegar and Cheese and Onion colours being wrong way round.

People are just remembering Golden Wonder.

MsWilmottsGhost · 23/10/2025 16:41

PixieandMe · 23/10/2025 16:34

I was born in 1971. We didn't live that far from Stonehenge and regularly used to park up and walk up right up to the stones, touch them etc. as kids.

I remember seeing on the local news one day that Portsmouth FC fans had spray painted 'PFC' onto one of the stones. I can still see it now, blue spray paint. In my memory, it was after this event that they were roped off and a visitor centre put in.

I don't think you could walk up to them as last as the last 1980's, no. 1977 sounds right.

Seems about right, or maybe a bit before 1977?

DM had photos of her DM standing with the stones, but always said she couldn't take us because you couldn't do that anymore.

AmethystAnnotation · 23/10/2025 16:43

nomas · 23/10/2025 16:18

Does this mean I have to stop telling people I played between the stones?

Could it possibly have been Avebury you visited rather than Stonehenge? Avebury was always open to wander round the stones - haven't been there for about 20 years so don't know if it still is but it certainly was in the late 20th century/early 21st century.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 23/10/2025 16:46

nomas · 23/10/2025 16:29

Oooh what year was this?

I was going to say no idea other than 80s and don't remember what else we did or how old I was.

However teacher I remember it being said sorted was only one to live in village and had small holding - and I had her only two years though she could have done other year trips as small school -but most likely sometime 1983-85 with me being very young primary school age.

PixieandMe · 23/10/2025 16:55

AmethystAnnotation · 23/10/2025 16:43

Could it possibly have been Avebury you visited rather than Stonehenge? Avebury was always open to wander round the stones - haven't been there for about 20 years so don't know if it still is but it certainly was in the late 20th century/early 21st century.

You can still walk right up to the stones at Avebury.

PixieandMe · 23/10/2025 16:59

@nomas I think it may have been possible if it was an arranged school trip. I am sure I heard from someone not very long ago that they had been on a private group visit to Stonehenge one evening where they were permitted to walk right up to and among the stones.

So it may not be a false memory. Or it could have been Avebury.

DingDongJingle · 23/10/2025 17:01

Bambamhoohoo · 22/10/2025 20:38

I think it’s just suggestion. The power of suggestion is so powerful.

i read the most interesting article last year about trypophobia. Its origins can be directly linked to internet and posts asking people if they were freaked out by it. no record of it prior despite these patterns occurring in nature. The internet just said “isn’t this scary?”

My 11 year old has trypophobia. I’d never heard of it until at about aged 4 she started getting freaked out about holes 🤷🏻‍♀️

jjjwgagy · 23/10/2025 17:05

SpotHaven · 23/10/2025 14:53

I disagree. I have always hated looking at holes. I remember being a child in the 70s and there was a lorry in front of us and it was carrying loads of pipes. We were behind the lorry and all I could see was the ends of the pipes with the holes. I couldn’t bear it and begged my dad to overtake the lorry but it then kept overtaking us so I could see the holes again. It was a nightmare journey! Way before the Internet. And way before I knew that there was a name for it.

Same my earliest memory of it freaking me out was a boy in my primary 1 class with holes in the soles of his shoes. My daughter also started with the same thing at the age of 4.

AuntieCorruption · 23/10/2025 17:44

CustardySergeant · 23/10/2025 16:28

Unzipping her own body bag? 😕

Yes that parts true, there's loads of footage of it around the internet, she tried to get out of the bag on the way into the ambulance, she unzipped it and sat up! Then she died in hospital a couple of days later, so weird.

I must have seen a video of it at the time, and god knows why my mind has now played a trick on me about thinking I saw it all 20 years ago.

Awrite · 23/10/2025 17:49

I remember Ronnie Barker dying years before 2005.

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 23/10/2025 18:08

mintich · 23/10/2025 14:46

Walkers own website says they didn't change colours

Yes, that's the point. We all know what's said but we have false memories. That's what the thread is about

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 23/10/2025 18:38

AlpacaBiscuit · 22/10/2025 21:10

In the James Bond film Moonraker there’s a scene where Jaws (giant man with metal teeth) found a girlfriend, who grinned at him with full on metal braces on her teeth. I can remember this clearly, but apparently she doesn’t have braces.

I tend to not believe in the Mandela effect but this one truly baffles me, and all of my family remember the girlfriend having braces.

I have a personal one, relating to the area where I lived as a teenager into my twenties. When I drive in that area now there’s a village that is totally different, but all the houses and farms are old, certainly not new build within the last 20 years. It weirds me out every time and makes me wonder if there’s something in it.

Ooh, Mandela Effect is one of my special interests, the Retconned sub Reddit is somewhere to find loads if alleged examples.

I'm pretty on the fence about it, although some of the Biblical "changes" are interesting, however, I will die on the hill of Dolly's braces in Moonraker. It was such a stand out comedy end to the film, and let's face it, the most likely reason for her and Jaws to "gel" would be both having a mouth full of metal.

Either way it's a fascinating concept whether it's simply neurological, the LHC, or aliens 😁

See also synchromysticism for those in need of multiple rabbit holes 😉

Mummyratbag · 23/10/2025 18:49

Not looked into it at all so someone may be able to explain, but it was always Looney Toons at the end of cartoons not Looney Tunes .. I even asked DH to spell Looney Toons and he thought the same as me.

Edit to clarify - the internet says Tunes and I absolutely remember Toons.

amprev · 23/10/2025 18:53

I have a memory of when Walkers became more popular that I couldn't get my head around them doing the colours wrong because I was used to cheese and onion being green because of Golden Wonder and Ringos 😁

Imissgoldengrahams · 23/10/2025 18:55

The monoply man not having a monocle will fry my head

Rhaidimiddim · 23/10/2025 18:59

Cantheowneroftheredcorsapleasemovetheircar · 22/10/2025 21:23

I discovered a few years ago, to my absolute SHOCK that there are people who thought that fairy tales like snow white, conderella etc were actually invented by Disney.

I was genuinely gobsmacked people had never heard an original or alternative version of a fairy tale.

But apparently, while most versions of snow white that I've read say "mirror mirror" the Disney one says "magic mirror" and people are confused thinking it's always been "mirror mirror" in Disney when the most likely explanation is that someone once read them a non disney snow white and they were too young to remember but the phrase stayed in their brains.

Don't get my grandchildren started on who invented A Christmas Carol.

DingDongJingle · 23/10/2025 19:02

Rhaidimiddim · 23/10/2025 18:59

Don't get my grandchildren started on who invented A Christmas Carol.

The muppets, obviously.

Clarabell77 · 23/10/2025 19:04

SpotHaven · 23/10/2025 14:53

I disagree. I have always hated looking at holes. I remember being a child in the 70s and there was a lorry in front of us and it was carrying loads of pipes. We were behind the lorry and all I could see was the ends of the pipes with the holes. I couldn’t bear it and begged my dad to overtake the lorry but it then kept overtaking us so I could see the holes again. It was a nightmare journey! Way before the Internet. And way before I knew that there was a name for it.

Same here. I remember getting the creeps at a dotty pattern when I was about 14, that would’ve been early 90s.

MilleniumMouse · 23/10/2025 19:05

Mine is Tinkerbell not being in the Disney VHS intros. I have memories of the Disney logo where Tinkerbell flies over the top with her trail of pixie dust behind her, then uses her wand to dot the i.

Apparently that never happened.

Furnitureeurniture · 23/10/2025 19:08

Rituelec · 22/10/2025 20:24

Walkers did used to be blue for salt and vinegar.

Yes! I agree. Someone somewhere that collects old crisp packets will have one. I hope someone on here is a crisp packet collector! I saw a collector on t.v so they too exist!!

Algen · 23/10/2025 19:11

MilleniumMouse · 23/10/2025 19:05

Mine is Tinkerbell not being in the Disney VHS intros. I have memories of the Disney logo where Tinkerbell flies over the top with her trail of pixie dust behind her, then uses her wand to dot the i.

Apparently that never happened.

Oh, that’s the first one of these where I have the same memory

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