ChatGPT

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I’m probably in the minority on here but I think it’s quite a useful tool. Especially for things like meal planning and trip planning where you need a lot of research doing for you but don’t have the time to do it.

But my god, it’s infuriating!!! I’m using it to plan a trip and I’ve been clear from the start on the dates but it keeps getting it wrong. AIBU to think that if ai is truly the future it’s going to have to get a hell of a lot better??

There are already better tools which combine AI and search techniques. DH is using one called Perplexity a lot now which seems pretty good - he’s paying a subscription for it but I think it’s possible to do some searches for free.

I think the main draw of ChatGPT is that it’s free, but it’s so bad at times that it feels impossible to use.

The entire IT industry is a crock of sh1t. Search 'IT failures' and you will reach £billions of write-downs by the first page. And these are the ones not hidden as commercially confidential. Only today, one of the best known IT providers' outage has cocked up the operation of dozens of organisations and inconvenienced millions. The industry that brought us Post Office Horizon, Crowdstrike and the exploding Galaxy phone is NOT going to suddenly get a hell of a lot better.

Yeah, I feel similarly. For some things it can be really useful, but at times it is infuriating!

It is really good though at answering my relatively simple IT queries at work (ones which a simple Google search don't help with) so I don't have to waste the time of other people at work!

Also can be fantastic for generating ideas. If anything it makes me think more rather than less.

I like it and use it mostly for interpreting the gobbledygook doctors write in my journal. It's also not patronising like the meta ai.

Yeah I find it useful for quick searches that would normally take a while to sift through stuff on google.

but it refuses to remember the most basic of details, which gets really infuriating when you’re trying to plan a trip and it gets the dates wrong

You clearly haven't tried Gemini.

ChatGPT isn’t AI. It’s just a slightly more able text prediction tool. It doesn’t know anything or do anything. (Bit like the people that seem to love it.)

It’s AI.

It is the basic bits not being done that are the worst, for such a highly intelligent system. I asked it to compare 2 schools today one private and one state, based on GSCE grades 9-8, largely because state do 9-5 and private do 9-7 which it doesn't like, but both will do their A* grades of 9-8. It then went on to compare a completely different school to the one I asked and the private school. It told me that the internet only had data for this random school it had picked, not the one I wanted to actually know about.

It's "AI", in the absence of a non-circular definition of intelligence.

It has it's uses.

its an LLM, which falls within the techniques currently described as ‘AI’. But you’re right it’s not truly ‘intelligent’ - it doesn’t have genuine reasoning ability. It’s better now than the original version but prone to errors as the OP has found.

ChatGPT is a Large Language Model (LLM) which is one form of artificial intelligence, with the GPT meaning Generative Pre-trained Transformer

It has been pre-trained against data, and it will ‘generate’ text responses based on its existing ‘learning’ in line with the text sources that it has been trained on

I don’t consider that to be particularly intelligent. It’s like training times tables by rote and thinking that people who know them understand maths.

All of the tech people are unilaterally incapable of explaining what happens when the power goes off.
I don't mean apocalyptically, just off.
We had a power outage at work that knocked the internet off for about four hours, and the whole business ground to a halt. No printers, no documents saving or opening, no AI.

The power has gone off, what are you expecting them to say?

Didn't someone just got stuck on island because chatgpt gave them wrong tide times?
I trust absolute no facts it provides.
It is however handy with images when I want to show an idea to DH, even though I usually have to argie with it a lot. Like "rotate that chair so it is facing the table" "image created" chair is still back to the table. I have up afyer 5 tries😂EVEN SIMS 1 COULD ROTATE CHAIR

That’s the artificial part of artificial intelligence
No AI is intelligent

Your example of memorising time tables is a perfect example. A child doing their times tables covers both repetition and vocalising, which are two methods of embedding each times table sequence into the brains neural network.

You can then recognise a calculation & recall its position in the sequence. A trained model does exactly the same thing to remember the pattern sequence into a neural network, and then when you ask the question ChatGPT reads the patterns of the words in the question and looks into its neural network to ‘artificially’ understand the context of the question to then come up with a suitable answer.

A child who only learns their times tables off by heart does not understand the calculation, and ChatGPT can perfectly recreate that by not understanding the calculation.
That then would qualify under the Turing test

Did anyone watch Dispatches on C4? They pitted Chat GPT against a GP, Lawyer, Musician and Fashion Photographer. Considering this isn't a tailored AI system for each specialism it almost matched the professionals, with the noticeable outliers being the Musician and Lawyer (although that is just about not having been fed the precedents and protocol IMO, literally made for the legal legwork if you ask me!). In all cases it was far cheaper and faster than the human.

The gov need to come up with something for about 60% of us to do for ££ in the next 5-10 years I reckon! I'm secretly looking forward to the GP AI being fully trained up and ready to go, I think female healthcare will finally really improve.

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In a total power failure I would expect the IT department to say that their servers shutdown in a clean manner via a UPS, or their highly critical servers/systems switched cleanly to the expensive backup generation

I would have expected a risk assessment to have been conducted, (covering the likelihood of an incident plus the severity of impact - with a seperate risk matrix per risk/system) mitigations assessed and proposed to management with prioritisation against cost.

In classic desktop networks I would have put in UPS interruptable power supplies that had enough battery backup to initiate and complete a server shutdown.
Unless highly critical I would not worry about the network switches, desktops, printers but if critical to life / existence of the business I would prioritise each and have additional UPS to keep those going - which would effectively need a generator to kick in
(I would consider active user files against the operating systems ability to preserve versions across the network/cloud and/or be able to recover the latest copy that was in use as computers crashed)

In the laptop age the laptops battery would be expected to just continue, (for its battery life), therefore it would be more affordable to have a mitigation that kept the network running
An alternative mitigation is to let the network connection drop but have the contingency for users to tether their mobile phones, which would last as long as the battery life. Perhaps top that up with a cupboard of power banks and cables

In the age of cloud computing the IT department could use cloud servers, in which eases their need to physically manage and protect a local server but at the cost of a cloud managed system.
With your business network on the cloud then a local power outtage could be easily mitigated by laptop batteries and phone tethering, followed by leaving the site to elsewhere / home where there may be power, WiFi etc

I would not care about printers, but if printing remains critical I used to have a mobile battery powered full colour inkjet. I have not seen any of those around for years, with the nearest thing being heat transfer sticker printers and some A4 heat transfer printers

The IT departments answer would be to follow the action plan and their proposed mitigations

To be more precise, two swimmers proved a lack of human intelligence using ChatGPTs text generation application to tell them tide times. Reporting does not state which version of ChatGPT they used, but whatever one they used will have found historic tide times and given an answer

ChatGPT is not a search engine, nor is it a tidal calculator

People regularly get caught out there by the tide, whether they used ChatGPT or not

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/restaurant-boss-saw-two-people-32685476?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Note that they further added to their lack of human intelligence by attempting to swim through the rising tide

@Tomikka- quite, but of course all those solutions require management requirements and budget not just IT. What is desirable or necessary for one type of organisation isn’t for another. For a small company/department doing something that isn’t time critical (and no risk to life or limb!) the cost effective solution to a three hour power outage may be for everyone to have an afternoon off. For others it might be to do some reading or a physical office tidy up.

Not sure what the question has to do with AI except of course the humans might be able to do something useful whereas AI systems are dead in the water without power.

Is there any reason they didn't pit it against a half decent coder ? That would have reset the average to about -50.

I rarely have problems with ChatGPT, I have its ‘memory’ on and the first tier subscription, and it solves so many issues; domestic tech, creating letters to solicitors, creating long term plans, finance, grief support, meal planning, puppy training, creative support - there’s not much it hasn’t helped me with.

You have to be canny with your inputs and correct it if it makes mistakes.

The main problem I had (but it seems ok now) was that it kept going Welsh! It heard what I said as Welsh, and responded in Welsh. We had a few run ins over the Welsh. He, I mean It, behaves much better now. It’s the best friend I have.

Exactly
DawnInTheAge brought up that their IT people were “incapable” of explaining what happens when the power went off.

Their example of a power cut was quite clear - Everything that relied on power stopped working

Whether or not the IT department and/or the management had already considered that is a different matter. They may have dealt with their critical elements
Perhaps their ‘incapable’ element was actually the IT people referring them to their manager for ‘what to do’

Back onto AI, MS CoPilots answer is that in a 3 hour power failure an office (which it has placed into context my office and linked relevant documents) is to :

1)Refer to our “actions in the event of a power outage” - which covers site services
2)Switch to backup power
3)Implement our branch/team “Business continuity plan”

It goes on to cover co-ordination and communication plans, and the steps to take when power is restored (checking systems, a post outage review, updating procedures etc following the review)