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perfectpotato · 2025-10-18T16:17:10+00:00

Had our offer accepted, in the middle of the legal process and we’ve had got the fixtures and fittings form from the vendors. They are taking with them all the column radiators (will be replacing with basic ones), all light fixtures - they had these beautiful sconce marble light fixtures that they will be taking and they are have a fixed mirror in the bathroom, has Bluetooth and different lighting and they are taking that too. My partner doesn’t seem bothered but I’m really upset, Aibu?

Allisnotlost1 · 18/10/2025 23:47

Dymaxion · 18/10/2025 21:12

Do you mean for the rads? They’re replacing with regular ones so no replacement cost.

The cost of replacing the radiators back to the ones that OP assumed were included in the fixtures. Plus I would be worried that the seller could easily decide to cut corners when it comes to the plumbing work, I would want new certificates stating the boiler and central heating system, which the radiators are an integral part of, are fully working and any work is guaranteed.

The point of the form is to dispel any assumptions - seller says what they intend to take, buyer can dispute then both sides negotiate. The buyer will need to negotiate if they think there’s a cost of returning the rads to what they saw on viewing. But you can’t just say ‘you can’t take them’. The options are to negotiate or pull out. And yes certificates of works should be included in any negotiation.

FrodoBiggins · 18/10/2025 23:51

jbm16 · 18/10/2025 23:24

I would go back to your solicitor, radiators are considered fixtures and should have been mentioned in sales document if they weren't to be included?

But OP found out they intend to take them because they are in the sales documentation

Allisnotlost1 · 18/10/2025 23:52

Longdarkcloud · 18/10/2025 22:08

I haven’t practised law in this country but where I come from fixtures are normally included in the sale description unless it is made clear that certain items are not included. The price you offered clearly was based on the way the house’s appearance when you viewed it.
I would also be very concerned about any possible damage to the walls etc when these fixtures were removed and replaced by alternative items. You might end up needing to repair plaster or wallpaper and repaint.
Surely as someone else posted above, it would be better if items of your choice were installed at the sellers’ expense?
Consult your solicitors before you accept this.

The problem with assuming the property will look exactly as is when the sale is complete is that even the most stringent survey doesn’t include, for example, moving furniture. I moved into a house with a gaping hole in the chimney breast, doors that didn’t shut, and loose skirting because all had been hidden by furnishings on viewing and during the survey. I’m not saying any of that was even deliberate, but it’s a problem that only becomes visible late on.

Bellyblueboy · 18/10/2025 23:52

Tamfs · 18/10/2025 17:19

It's totally normal that they want to take these things. YABU.

You can always buy the same things to put in the house.

We must live in areas with very different approaches. I have bought three houses, and my parents are developers so have flipped dozens of houses.

i have never heard of anyone sweeping our radiators. They are pretty standard as fixtures and fittings that stay.

infact are radiators even a thing on the fixtures and fittings list? It’s like saying you are replacing the boiler with a basic one. Really odd

no18currentowner · 18/10/2025 23:53

Hi there @perfectpotato . I am a little surprised at this thread. It is better to just consult your solicitor on these matters.

Anything you want to keep, you can just make offers on. In this case you are planning to do extensive work to the property, I have sold property before, and seen fixtures I thought were great in a skip within a few weeks. These radiators were gifted to me, and so rather than see that happen, I stated I would take them.

It's curious you like the pendant light. As you know, the house has been tenanted and every tenant had taken them down because they didn't like them. I assumed it was something that was just to my taste, so said I would take them. Same with the bluetooth mirror - no one else fussed about it at all.

You didn't mention the things I have done that sellers hardly do - like the recent flushing of the boiler so you'd have no problems moving in mid-winter. I'll persevere in fighting off that sense of regret.

I don't feel good about this thread at all. I took your call when most sellers wouldn't, talked to you about the area, answered all sorts of questions. I didn't need to do any of that, so it leaves a sour taste.

Like I say, better to just contact your solicitor than write a very identifying post on mumsnet.

Take care now.

DeftWasp · 18/10/2025 23:55

no18currentowner · 18/10/2025 23:53

Hi there @perfectpotato . I am a little surprised at this thread. It is better to just consult your solicitor on these matters.

Anything you want to keep, you can just make offers on. In this case you are planning to do extensive work to the property, I have sold property before, and seen fixtures I thought were great in a skip within a few weeks. These radiators were gifted to me, and so rather than see that happen, I stated I would take them.

It's curious you like the pendant light. As you know, the house has been tenanted and every tenant had taken them down because they didn't like them. I assumed it was something that was just to my taste, so said I would take them. Same with the bluetooth mirror - no one else fussed about it at all.

You didn't mention the things I have done that sellers hardly do - like the recent flushing of the boiler so you'd have no problems moving in mid-winter. I'll persevere in fighting off that sense of regret.

I don't feel good about this thread at all. I took your call when most sellers wouldn't, talked to you about the area, answered all sorts of questions. I didn't need to do any of that, so it leaves a sour taste.

Like I say, better to just contact your solicitor than write a very identifying post on mumsnet.

Take care now.

Blimey, there's a turn up for the books, the vendor has joined the party 😀

Allisnotlost1 · 18/10/2025 23:57

#TeamSeller

ReadingSoManyThreads · 19/10/2025 00:00

no18currentowner · 18/10/2025 23:53

Hi there @perfectpotato . I am a little surprised at this thread. It is better to just consult your solicitor on these matters.

Anything you want to keep, you can just make offers on. In this case you are planning to do extensive work to the property, I have sold property before, and seen fixtures I thought were great in a skip within a few weeks. These radiators were gifted to me, and so rather than see that happen, I stated I would take them.

It's curious you like the pendant light. As you know, the house has been tenanted and every tenant had taken them down because they didn't like them. I assumed it was something that was just to my taste, so said I would take them. Same with the bluetooth mirror - no one else fussed about it at all.

You didn't mention the things I have done that sellers hardly do - like the recent flushing of the boiler so you'd have no problems moving in mid-winter. I'll persevere in fighting off that sense of regret.

I don't feel good about this thread at all. I took your call when most sellers wouldn't, talked to you about the area, answered all sorts of questions. I didn't need to do any of that, so it leaves a sour taste.

Like I say, better to just contact your solicitor than write a very identifying post on mumsnet.

Take care now.

If you really are the vendor, I hope the @perfectpotato pulls out of the sale. OP has already offered for the house, she certainly shouldn't be offering you MORE to keep the fixtures she thought would come with the house! You're a cheeky fucker!

Bellyblueboy · 19/10/2025 00:00

OP is the vendors response is real I would pull out of this sale.

if they really wanted to keep the radiators they should have removed them and replaced them with the cheap ones before the photos were taken.

I think this will be a very difficult process with a very difficult party. I would start looking. For another house. They will not be easy to
work with

Nearly50omg · 19/10/2025 00:04

no18currentowner · 18/10/2025 23:53

Hi there @perfectpotato . I am a little surprised at this thread. It is better to just consult your solicitor on these matters.

Anything you want to keep, you can just make offers on. In this case you are planning to do extensive work to the property, I have sold property before, and seen fixtures I thought were great in a skip within a few weeks. These radiators were gifted to me, and so rather than see that happen, I stated I would take them.

It's curious you like the pendant light. As you know, the house has been tenanted and every tenant had taken them down because they didn't like them. I assumed it was something that was just to my taste, so said I would take them. Same with the bluetooth mirror - no one else fussed about it at all.

You didn't mention the things I have done that sellers hardly do - like the recent flushing of the boiler so you'd have no problems moving in mid-winter. I'll persevere in fighting off that sense of regret.

I don't feel good about this thread at all. I took your call when most sellers wouldn't, talked to you about the area, answered all sorts of questions. I didn't need to do any of that, so it leaves a sour taste.

Like I say, better to just contact your solicitor than write a very identifying post on mumsnet.

Take care now.

You are the type of seller that takes all the lightbulbs and door handles, number off the door etc! Radiators are part of the central heating system and also not like taking a mirror off a wall!! Anyone taking them AFTER they have got a buyer and replacing them with cheap basic ones is extremely unreasonable. Why would a buyer pay extra for things like used radiators too? Are you going to try and sell them the used boiler or the wiring in the walls too?

DeftWasp · 19/10/2025 00:04

I do hope mumsnet don't take this down, its just turned very interesting!

Assuming the poster who is the vendor is genuine, a fiver says the sales off!!

YourJoyousDenimExpert · 19/10/2025 00:10

Surprised about the radiators as they may not fit in their next house -radiator sizes have a calculation- and there’s also all the pipe work - would seem more sensible to offer them to OP for an additional sum…..

FrodoBiggins · 19/10/2025 00:12

DeftWasp · 18/10/2025 23:55

Blimey, there's a turn up for the books, the vendor has joined the party 😀

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Cherryicecreamx · 19/10/2025 00:16

Yeah if I liked the house how I saw it, I would be annoyed that they would be taking part of what sold it to me. It also seems a bit of a waste for them to refit radiators that you don't want, which you might end up changing anyway! Could you get them to refit radiators of your choice instead/ask for similar radiators to what is already there? I honestly think this should have been mentioned before any sales went though so you know exactly what you're getting.

DeftWasp · 19/10/2025 00:18

Cherryicecreamx · 19/10/2025 00:16

Yeah if I liked the house how I saw it, I would be annoyed that they would be taking part of what sold it to me. It also seems a bit of a waste for them to refit radiators that you don't want, which you might end up changing anyway! Could you get them to refit radiators of your choice instead/ask for similar radiators to what is already there? I honestly think this should have been mentioned before any sales went though so you know exactly what you're getting.

Ask the seller, they are on the thread now!!!

Oh please don't take this down mumsnet, this is bloody brilliant, better than traitors - there's a Netflix series in this!

no18currentowner · 19/10/2025 00:20

Respectfully, OP can want to keep anything that she likes, and presenting this to the solicitor is the best path. Importantly to me, I don't like being even an anonymous target of a social media take down. I have never deprecated anyone online, I think it is ugly. Being called a cheeky fucker etc: it's really not my thing and I don't like that it has been ushered into my life. It is very 'mumsnet' however.

I thought it best to advise OP to speak to her solicitor and to let her know that I am aware of this thread, that's all.

BruceAndNosh · 19/10/2025 00:20

It's not unusual to take light fittings but radiators is very unusual

Cherryicecreamx · 19/10/2025 00:22

DeftWasp · 19/10/2025 00:18

Ask the seller, they are on the thread now!!!

Oh please don't take this down mumsnet, this is bloody brilliant, better than traitors - there's a Netflix series in this!

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Omg just seen that!! Definitely not what I was expecting 🫣 this is exactly what we mean when we're worried about how "outing" our posts can be. Never seen it actually happen tho.

Allisnotlost1 · 19/10/2025 00:22

Nearly50omg · 19/10/2025 00:04

You are the type of seller that takes all the lightbulbs and door handles, number off the door etc! Radiators are part of the central heating system and also not like taking a mirror off a wall!! Anyone taking them AFTER they have got a buyer and replacing them with cheap basic ones is extremely unreasonable. Why would a buyer pay extra for things like used radiators too? Are you going to try and sell them the used boiler or the wiring in the walls too?

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The poster has literally explained why they indicated they would take the radiators, the light and the mirror. A lot of people have agreed they’d take the two latter items. Nowhere has the OP said anything about lightbulbs and door handles.

The whole point of the inventory form is to say what will and won’t be left behind. The seller has done that and the OP doesn’t like it - so tell the seller and start there.

Tbh if I was the seller and I’d seen this I’d withdraw from the process. There will always be other buyers.

RawBloomers · 19/10/2025 00:26

no18currentowner · 18/10/2025 23:53

Hi there @perfectpotato . I am a little surprised at this thread. It is better to just consult your solicitor on these matters.

Anything you want to keep, you can just make offers on. In this case you are planning to do extensive work to the property, I have sold property before, and seen fixtures I thought were great in a skip within a few weeks. These radiators were gifted to me, and so rather than see that happen, I stated I would take them.

It's curious you like the pendant light. As you know, the house has been tenanted and every tenant had taken them down because they didn't like them. I assumed it was something that was just to my taste, so said I would take them. Same with the bluetooth mirror - no one else fussed about it at all.

You didn't mention the things I have done that sellers hardly do - like the recent flushing of the boiler so you'd have no problems moving in mid-winter. I'll persevere in fighting off that sense of regret.

I don't feel good about this thread at all. I took your call when most sellers wouldn't, talked to you about the area, answered all sorts of questions. I didn't need to do any of that, so it leaves a sour taste.

Like I say, better to just contact your solicitor than write a very identifying post on mumsnet.

Take care now.

Of course you think OP should have stuck to her solicitor, Dishonest people rarely like daylight. Don’t want to see your scammy bait and switch tactic laid out for the world?

FrodoBiggins · 19/10/2025 00:30

RawBloomers · 19/10/2025 00:26

Of course you think OP should have stuck to her solicitor, Dishonest people rarely like daylight. Don’t want to see your scammy bait and switch tactic laid out for the world?

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What on earth is dishonest!? The seller literally listed on the documents that she would be taking the current radiators and swapping them. That is honest! Dishonest would be saying the house comes with radiators and taking them out entirely. Shady but not necessarily dishonest would be saying the house comes with radiators and not mentioning that they weren't the ones in the property when it was viewed.

JudgeJ · 19/10/2025 00:34

Egregiousabsolute · 18/10/2025 17:18

You're buying their house not their fixtures and fittings.

Radiators are fittings, any price negotiations were on the fittings as seen unless they.re excluded from the original valuation. I would be tempted to reduce my offer by a factor enough to replace them.

stickystick · 19/10/2025 00:38

My solicitor told me that fixtures stay with the house, and by fixtures it means, if you flipped your house upside down, anything that wouldn’t move. Eg you can’t rip out your carpet and take it with you.
Anything else, you can either take or negotiate to sell to the buyer.

PigletJohn · 19/10/2025 00:45

Knock the value off your offer.

stickystick · 19/10/2025 00:48

FrodoBiggins · 19/10/2025 00:30

What on earth is dishonest!? The seller literally listed on the documents that she would be taking the current radiators and swapping them. That is honest! Dishonest would be saying the house comes with radiators and taking them out entirely. Shady but not necessarily dishonest would be saying the house comes with radiators and not mentioning that they weren't the ones in the property when it was viewed.

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The issue I think is that a seller doesn’t share the PIF (document where they list all the items and say whether they are included or excluded) until AFTER the offer has been made and accepted. So usually buyers have to make reasonable assumptions about what will be left behind when they make their offer. When the PIF turns out to exclude a lot of items that you might reasonably assume to come with the property, which some might say is dishonest, then the only option is to renegotiate the purchase price.