Is anyone else planning to leave the UK?

[AuntieMeemz]

Everything we gain, earn or get is taxed and we are not seeing the benfit we would expect from it. We have a government that is not representing all of us.
I have always taken a keen interest in current affairs, in the UK and abroad so it's not a rash decision (and i don't want to trigger a debate about my reasons for leaving). I have learned when it is time to walk away.
Even before all this, we had decided to leave the UK, but we are speeding up plans. Is anyone else doing the same?
The grass will not be greener on the other side (have lived in 3 other countries when i was younger). We will be working on line for our last couple of years before retirement.
'We' means DH, DD (18 )and DS (21). DH totally onboard. DD and DS not, so we can't just leave them.

@SeaAndStars in a nutshell. I think some people's expectations are crazy. Maybe it's because I'm older, but the UK has improved a lot since I was young!

Interesting. How do you feel it’s improved?

Healthcare?
Crime?
Housing?
Immigration?

Isn’t it difficult to just move to another country though? Don’t you have to have a skill/savings etc to go to most places? Me and DH played around with the idea of moving to Canada a few years ago. DH has some family who moved there years ago, and when we visited, we loved it. Unfortunately though we didn’t make the cut - didn’t have enough points between us to meet the criteria. We also had a year in South Africa where my husband was with his job, and would have liked to have stayed longer, but it coincided with a change in employment over there where the black South Africans were to be prioritised for jobs (and rightly so) so we couldn’t get an extension to stay. I think it’s quite difficult to move abroad unless you have a very needed skill set.

Nowhere is utopia. Why would we (I feel the same) not try to improve our world? However, I would be very wary of making a frank proposal of what I think needs to change on MN.

@Papyrophile I would be interested to hear what you think?

Less pollution, less secondary smoke inhalation, less overt sexism and cat calling, less overt homophobia and racism, more opportunities for women, more than 2 channels on tv and no 4 month wait for the post office to install your telephone, no having to get a man to guarantee your rent or mortgage...I could go on.

@teacupzs , what I think might be interpreted as "bracing". Stand up, work for everything you expect to have for yourself, try to help out if you can but it's probably quite a self directed/self sufficient version of life.

Dodge tax? Nope- we’ve done our bit to prop up the welfare culture. Time to think about our kids now. Always easier to be generous with someone else’s money.

I don’t like living here anymore. The country has been going steadily downhill for decades and is now mostly a complete mess. The shitty weather is the just the ‘icing’ on the proverbial cake (although it’s hardly a nice cake).

I could possibly have the opportunity to move somewhere lovely when I’ve retired. It’s not something I’ve ever considered - until now.

It's ironic, though, isn't it? Every day thousands are risking their lives to come to the UK and countless others would like to try.

Yes. It’s a better world than the one I grew up in.

Me too. Far better.

We won’t be going anywhere although husband has joked in the past about a French farm and chateau when the weather gets especially cold and snowy here. The french also treat their farmers very well.
I like where I live but would love a little place in a warmer country when I’m retired. I’d spend our winters there and summers back here.

I think DS will almost certainly go in the next couple of years. He wants to get a couple more years work experience under his belt. He thinks it will be a time of massive positive change and he wants to be part of that. A few of his friends have already gone

Typical leftist. Enjoy your country as it crumbles while you’re too busy enjoying it being less racist. Oh and good luck getting adequate healthcare and your children being able to afford their own home independently.

Constant strikes and shortages, three day week, power cuts, walking to school in the snow having only had a cold drink and going to sit in a dark classroom with our coats on. Corporal punishment actively encouraged.
Irish jokes.

We can’t move as kids are in secondary and I think realistically we are too old to start again. What we are doing though is just massively decreasing our spending and hoping that Labour is out in the next election.

😂😂😂

And what's "leftist" about what @KatyaKanani said?
They were facts.

This might be one of the most unhinged replies I've read on Mumsnet in a while, and that's saying something.

I would like to. honestly. I would live in the USA if I was not afraid of my kids being shot when they go to school.

The opportunities are far greater than the UK, however I would consider canada seriously in the not too distant future

No, I like the banter and I don’t like to be too far from an M&S Food.

@Papyrophile how does that work with the changing demographics though?

I know! 😂 😂

Nope. Ive got family and friends in US, Australia, canada, france, italy, Germany & china. It's not much better elsewhere.

France is even more fucked financially than we are. Higher taxes.
Australia is really expensive to live, facing some major environmental challenges.
US has huge wealth divide, lots of issues with racism& sexism, guns & donald trump. They get barely any holiday.
China has a lot of weird shit that never makes the news here
Italy wages are actually quite a bit lower than uk & they are also kinda bankrupt
Germany like the uk has had a huge influx of migrants and has social undercurrents that are pretty nasty. Tax is higher than here.

On a global level, capitalism has concentrated wealth in the hands of a shrinking few. You can't escape that by moving abroad.

You will get more equality somewhere like norway - oh and higher taxes.