To expect after 6 months could access a waiting list for mh support

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I know nhs mh services are wofully inadequate. However thought it was more long waiting lists.

my experience was in March work EAP wrote to gp suggesting secondary care support for trauma. Was hoping would be on a waiting list for support however just bounced from service to service gp wont offer meds and an appointment on weds with crisuis team for assessment cancleed. Private providers just not helpingto expect after 6 months would have got onto nhs list for supportto expect after 6 months would have got onto nhs list for support

I waited 22 months for IAPT. I got 6w. Anxiety and depression scores were increasing during those 6w due to pressure at work and at 6w (which wasn't enough time to close the can of worms id opened) I got dropped.

I only ended up with IAPT because I had tried silver cloud (online mh support) but blocked from it because I was deemed too high risk.

Services are generally awful and I'm sorry you're left dealing with this.

I waited 18 months for NHS therapy and that was 20 years ago, so must be bonkers by now. What do you mean 'private providers just not helping'? If you can, use a private therapist and then you're not limited to 6 sessions.

MH support is almost non existent. My 33 year old son was bounced from service provider to service provider, with no real support for his severe anxiety and depression. He was told he had a personality disorder, but the waiting list for counselling is 2 yrs!
He took his own life 3 months ago without ever getting proper help. I sincerely hope you get the support you need

I’m so sorry @Endeavour1971 that’s so cruel. Mental health services are just appalling and there’s not much on the NHS for trauma unless you’re literally not functioning. A good private provider can be worth their eight in gold - someone with training and experience in working with trauma.

One of my family members currently has pyshosis (sorry I cant spell) and having a lot of intrusive thoughts about religion & god and ending her life.
They did nothing to help her despite A&E referring her to the crisis team just gave her medication (that doesnt work) and left her. Its appaling, the MH teams are in crisis.

@Endeavour1971 so sorry to hear its terrible your son experienced this.

@starsinthegutter it seems to be area or need deppendent with an a friend accessing services within 3 weeks.

private psychologists I have approached say its too complex and best dealt with by nhs secondary care support

anyone know how to access online or any other good self help whilei wait

NHS mental health support for me currently is woefully inadequate also!!!
They have been good in the past in patches for me after year long waiting times for some services, but they are really shit at the mo.
I was beginning to take it personally, so at least it's just not me.

Dear God, that is appalling!!!!
I'm so sorry that happened xxxx

Living life is a nhs site with counselling for those classes as less severe. There are many third actor agencies that offer counselling/therapies too so it's worth searching on google for your locality.

In Scotland, there is a primary mental health worker aligned with all GP services that a GP can refer you to.

@Whatflavourjellybabyisnice so sorry you are struggling I sort of wonder if the whole improving access to psychological therapies has made things worse. It feels people with simple conditions get seen quite quickly and it meansthe expectatoion is people with more complex conditions should be able to access this. Obviously its much cheaper to have people who have done short cbt causes.

@lowdownuphigh GP MH worker is a great shout. Unfortunately the one in my GP practice is LTS, and cover is pharmacist and paramedic. Hope it helps othersthough.

are there any good ways to find third sector providersIam on waiting list with rape crisis but am more needing trauma support.

They’re not woefully inadequate we just have so many mentally ill people wanting treatment than we did 20 years ago.

Reduced spending, services shut (for example day hospitals). No therapies in psychiatric wards,
I agree MH issues have increased, but lack of funding g has also had a big effect.

@Bigpinksweater surely a service that cant meet the demmand is inadequate. More people shop online than 20 years ago keeping same number of curriers would be inadequate.

I am not.convinced people with the greatest need are prioritised. It would also feel better if it were possible to know wait times after a refferal rather than nottgetting on a list.

I suppose so but what can you do if the need is so vast it’s basically unmeetable? They’ve given up on trying to do ND assessments as the demand is so high they have no hope of reaching it.

Have you looked on MIND, what about SAMH? Where are you based? The resources vary in area. RASASH is also free.

Access to MH support is shocking, the criteria for secondary service is so high that few people even meet it now.

I’m sorry you are struggling at the moment with little/no support. Can you continue to get counselling sessions through EAP or not since they’ve referred you?

@iamnotalemon unfortunately I cant get any support from the EAP as they say requires secondary care input from NHS. This means there are not really services to accsess as am bounced about NHS services. Private psychologists say too seveere and needs a multi disiplinary team but nhs says nothing to offer as talking therapies cant support and not bad enough for home treatment tean. GP not comfortable to prescribe meds without secondary care input.

I am in London but would prefer online or phone support

i am unsure if there is value paying for a private psychologists assement as right now cant access anything privately as they wanyt multi disapplinary to mannage the risks. I dont know if charities would be like this too.

its so hard to have all the assessments with no help just gets me stuck in worrying about the thoughts.

Have tried charities but struggling to finfd people to support with my circumstamces. Y

Your post seems to be mixing up two things ie length of wait and there not being a suitable service at all. It seems you are not on a list so you will not get anywhere by waiting longer if you are not actually on any list.

I would suggest you put in a complaint to PALS for the MH Trust about being bounced around and not offered a service.

It may not be their fault however that there is not a service commissioned by the ICB to meet your particular need or that if there is such a service it is not adequately resourced to take all the people who need it. Waiting lists for 2nd care trauma therapy in our area are 1-2years and more if you require a female therapist only. There are not enough employed to meet demand. The trust cannot afford to employ more and they don’t exist for the NHS to employ in any case as they are all getting better pay the the private sector.

The ICB will have a complaints process also.

How do i find pals for mh trust? The GP has said its anintentional decision to massage waiting lists as more people can be treated through IAPT but byintentionally not taking things forward there are not the statics on how long people are waiting leading to further cuts to secondary care services.

i am frustrated as privatre providers wont take on due to the trust not addressing safegarding. GP wont prescribe due to wanting secondarycare input. Access to work mh support has 30 weeks before assessed there is just nowhere i can go.