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Rainbow badges at work - upset

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whatishappening123 · 01/10/2025 14:08

I work in a sector with vulnerable young people. A few years ago, we made the decision as a company to wear as part of our uniform, a name tag with the rainbow on as part of pledging our support to LGBT+
We have all received new name badges and for the first time ever- an option has been provided to have a red coloured one instead of the rainbow if staff 'do not agree with LGBT+'
I have raised this with HR and union and been told that staff are now allowed to choose and that is their right.
I feel really upset by this - colleagues I have known for years are now deciding against the rainbow badge.
We work with the most vulnerable- who are often LGBT. Some of our service users have asked staff directly why they are not using them- and they have lied saying " They'd run out , or the pin on the rainbow ones are crap, some staff are hiding the red ones.
It's not a majority by any means - it's probably about 11 staff in a staff of 60.
I just feel really really upset by it, but I can't quite put my finger on why.
I also don't understand how people can be 'against' LGBT
It's a protected characteristic.

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Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 11:28

Lidlfamilypack · 01/10/2025 14:17

I would not wear a rainbow badge as I don’t support the T.

Id say it’s discriminating against me to make me wear a badge that goes against my philosophical belief in terms of being GC.

This.

LGB great but the awful T. So much damage has been done by the constant promotion of T. You cannot bloody change sex. You can wear whatever you like, dangly earrings and all but you will never be a woman by merely stating you are one. Trans identified men are a category of men who present their external features differently. Trans identified women are a category of women who present externally more masculine attributes. You cannot argue with biology and your DNA, sex is there for all to see and it is very important.

The ideology did itself massive harm with the TRA's and their rape threats and the pushing of the agenda for older men. Grim and not surprising women pushed back. We now see push back from many people fed up with this damaging ideology. Children need counselling, help and support, not affirmation that 'changing sex' will make them feel better, the lie is damaging, mental health support and feeling better about yourself is the answer.

Greenmouldycheese · 02/10/2025 11:35

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/10/2025 09:03

I don't see what that poster has to do with being on the left. Being on the left doesn't mean being utterly ridiculous and incoherent.

What vulnerable young people need is steady supportive relationships that help them experience safety, so they can grow up better able to navigate relationships and discern for themselves whether people who claim to be 'safe adults' actually pass the sniff test.

We can't replicate or even approximate that by handing out colour-coded badges. Badges,like mumnet usernames, can be used to conceal or contrive.

There are so many nonsense threads around at the moment that are so poorly conceived that it's almost as though the authors are copying directly from the stonewall playbook.

Of course it's a left issue. People who are neutral or right do no care about rainbow badges and or lie about 'people refusing to wear it on their body being big bad nasty people'.

whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:41

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2025 09:46

It isn't an 'anti' badge. That's the OP hyperventilating and putting their own interpretation on it.

Nope. Not hyperventilating

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whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:42

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 02/10/2025 11:00

Your work is important. Your job is in, I assume, a prestigious area of the public sector and you're getting angry about..... a badge with a rainbow on it? You're getting angry over badges? Is this where so much focus and energy goes? On badges?

Nope again, an extrapolation

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whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:44

I had no idea about the T in LGbT being one of the reasons. Interesting and will definitely read up on GC ideas

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RedToothBrush · 02/10/2025 11:46

whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:41

Nope. Not hyperventilating

Ok. Hyper fixated on one group only, hyper misleading, hyper sensitive over what you've been indoctrinated, hyper ignorance of political issues affecting the whole of society, hyper out of touch with grass roots concerns and hyper virtue signalling.

Hyperventilating is a simpler way of expressing the same point which has been blown out of all proportion and with a total lack of understanding legal issues surrounding the subject.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2025 11:47

whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:42

Nope again, an extrapolation

You are literally disturbed and sad about people not wanting to wear badges in your OP. You’ve tried to “complain” about it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2025 11:49

“I just feel really really upset by it” without giving even five seconds’ thought as to why people don’t want to be forced into a political position they don’t agree with.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/10/2025 11:50

You also think “LGBT” is a protected characteristic. It is not.

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2025 11:52

To be fair to the OP, I think her position has evolved a bit since her opening post.

Verv · 02/10/2025 11:53

whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:44

I had no idea about the T in LGbT being one of the reasons. Interesting and will definitely read up on GC ideas

Respectfully OP, rainbow badges and lanyards etc etc make many members of the LGB really uncomfortable these days.

I'm gay and would actively swerve anybody performing allyship with rainbow badges because it signifies their adherence to the TQ and gender ideology, which imo is more homophobic than the westboro baptist church.

Id engage with your red badge colleagues before the rainbow ones.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 12:04

whatishappening123 · 02/10/2025 11:44

I had no idea about the T in LGbT being one of the reasons. Interesting and will definitely read up on GC ideas

Please do. And come and visit us on the "Feminism: Sex and Gender" topic.

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:04

Ihatetomatoes · 02/10/2025 11:28

This.

LGB great but the awful T. So much damage has been done by the constant promotion of T. You cannot bloody change sex. You can wear whatever you like, dangly earrings and all but you will never be a woman by merely stating you are one. Trans identified men are a category of men who present their external features differently. Trans identified women are a category of women who present externally more masculine attributes. You cannot argue with biology and your DNA, sex is there for all to see and it is very important.

The ideology did itself massive harm with the TRA's and their rape threats and the pushing of the agenda for older men. Grim and not surprising women pushed back. We now see push back from many people fed up with this damaging ideology. Children need counselling, help and support, not affirmation that 'changing sex' will make them feel better, the lie is damaging, mental health support and feeling better about yourself is the answer.

Agree 100%

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:08

TwinklyWrinkly · 02/10/2025 08:38

I would hope everyone who chooses to work with kids is ready for ANY conversation.

I agree, and they probably are. But to the vulnerable child who has a problem with the LGBT+ for whatever reason (perhaps religious for the LGB or just GC for the T+), then the rainbow badge indicates the wearer might not be a safe space.

So the wearer thinks they are saying "Hey, I'm a safe space, I accept you, whoever you are" when in reality what it looks like they are saying is, "Hey, I'm a safe space, I accept you! (But only if you are LGBT+ and if you aren't then I'm going to give you a lecture about #BeKind!)".

Love that you added nuance to the assumption. Well said.

Catssuddenlyappear · 02/10/2025 12:14

Absolutely howling at the idea of there being 'gender critical' children out there, surely they've got more exciting things to think about?

I seriously doubt there's a significant number of teenagers out there stanning Naomi Cunningham, Maya Forstater etc.

Cantbleedingcope · 02/10/2025 12:15

Sorry I wouldn’t be forced to wear a rainbow badge either. I’m not anti LGBT - but I do think an awful lot of it is political and tbh, I’m not interested at all.

Be gay, be bi, be trans - be whoever you want to be - I really don’t care. I tend to judge people on whether they are a c*nt or not, not their sexual preference or gender identity. I don’t have to demonstrate support to anyone by wearing a badge.

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:17

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/10/2025 22:04

Well it isn't.

Sexuality (which includes L, G and B but also heterosexuals) is one.

Gender reassignment is another.

So LGBT is not a protected characteristic, although all people within this group will have the protected characteristic of sexuality (including those who are heterosexual, as many trans people are), and some of them will have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.

Identities such as queer and non binary are not protected at all.

Edited

I'm Asexual personally. Do I not exist?

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2025 12:18

Cantbleedingcope · 02/10/2025 12:15

Sorry I wouldn’t be forced to wear a rainbow badge either. I’m not anti LGBT - but I do think an awful lot of it is political and tbh, I’m not interested at all.

Be gay, be bi, be trans - be whoever you want to be - I really don’t care. I tend to judge people on whether they are a c*nt or not, not their sexual preference or gender identity. I don’t have to demonstrate support to anyone by wearing a badge.

What a bizarre statement. Plenty of kids are clear that humans can't change sex and that girls deserve their own spaces. They don't need to know about court cases to know that.

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:21

RedToothBrush · 02/10/2025 09:46

It isn't an 'anti' badge. That's the OP hyperventilating and putting their own interpretation on it.

I completely disagree with the OP and agree with you on this. However, the OP isn't "hyperventilating" and by making up random nonsense like this to try to snub the OP it actually lessens the strength of the point you're trying to make.

Verv · 02/10/2025 12:22

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:17

I'm Asexual personally. Do I not exist?

Everything on the planet exists.
Which part of not wanting to have sex do you think needs protection in law?

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:24

TheKeatingFive · 02/10/2025 11:52

To be fair to the OP, I think her position has evolved a bit since her opening post.

I hope so! There have been some really informative comments.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 12:26

Allthatshines1992 · 02/10/2025 12:17

I'm Asexual personally. Do I not exist?

Obviously you exist.

Asexuality isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act though.

And why should it be? What specific protection do you think you need?

MidnightMeltdown · 02/10/2025 12:27

XWKD · 01/10/2025 14:28

A name badge should just have your name. Badges showing allegiance with a cause should be chosen, and not part of a uniform. Otherwise they have no meaning.

This. It’s weird and totally inappropriate for the workplace. You wouldn’t expect your work badge to reflect whether or not you are a Labour supporter, so why should it reflect any of your other personal opinions? Whoever came up with this idea needs firing.

Catssuddenlyappear · 02/10/2025 12:32

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 12:26

Obviously you exist.

Asexuality isn't a protected characteristic under the Equality Act though.

And why should it be? What specific protection do you think you need?

Lovely judgemental tone there.

Plenty of people making insulting assumptions about asexual people - I can easily imagine how an overly interested colleague could cause offence
www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/living-single/202005/biased-against-asexuals-let-me-count-the-ways/amp

childofthe607080s · 02/10/2025 12:34

The “tone” is wrong? Really? That’s the best you can do? Rather than answering the question ? And if the worst is “cause offense” - well given you took offence over the. “Tone” I wouldn’t take that seriously

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