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Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

270 replies

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

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TwistyTales · 30/09/2025 14:47

I think the chances of this all coming together before the next GE are very remote, for the reasons TreeDudette outlined.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:47

Wow, I bet all the nail salon owners are just terrified right now 😂 just think of all the extra NI Rachel! 🤦🏼‍♀️

You've gotta laugh.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:48

Tomikka · 30/09/2025 14:46

No

Throughtout Covid I was regularly out & about

I had valid reasons as I was doing peoples shopping & collecting prescriptions etc, and was in an online volunteer group

Though I had ‘justification’ I was never stopped and asked why in person nor picked up online

Next time, they won't need to ask you because the data ai will spot your activities.

Buxusmortus · 30/09/2025 14:49

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:41

Behaved better? I'd rather everyone remained free and had free will thanks. I'd rather people were free to be human beings as opposed to tax units, consumers, saps or things to be manipulated or controlled like they're in a Sims game.

Now you're just being silly and using an excess of hyperbole.
Digital ID will not stop people having free will or being human. If it stops some people's free desire to act in a criminal way or makes it easier to find out who has done so, then that's a good thing.
I can't imagine spending so much time worrying about who might have some information about me when they already do, it must be very draining. Digital ID will come whether you want it or not. I'd rather spend my time doing interesting things.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:50

TwistyTales · 30/09/2025 14:47

I think the chances of this all coming together before the next GE are very remote, for the reasons TreeDudette outlined.

Like Japanese knotweed, the roots of it will have been laid and impossible to get rid of without a revolution, world war and a banking revolution. Once we're in, we're in for good.

YorkshireGoldie · 30/09/2025 14:51

Parker231 · 30/09/2025 14:26

Great conspiracy theory imagination 🤣

It’s not really. Look up 15 minute cities.

Tomikka · 30/09/2025 14:53

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

There are not almost one million illegal immgrants, there are various estimates, and the government does not know who they are

People who have requested asylum etc are known to the government, and no matter what route they took to the UK they are not illegal - especially if they arrived by boat and hit UK soil via the authorities

On Euan Blair - his company is not delivering the online ID system. His company Multiverse is a training company
Within a day of the announcement there were conflicting reports of different companies having been contracted to deliver - all generating outrage

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 14:53

Buxusmortus · 30/09/2025 14:49

Now you're just being silly and using an excess of hyperbole.
Digital ID will not stop people having free will or being human. If it stops some people's free desire to act in a criminal way or makes it easier to find out who has done so, then that's a good thing.
I can't imagine spending so much time worrying about who might have some information about me when they already do, it must be very draining. Digital ID will come whether you want it or not. I'd rather spend my time doing interesting things.

Well you’re posting about it as @smallglassbottleis. Of course a new system which will be the ‘bedrock of the state’ as billed should be discussed.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:54

Buxusmortus · 30/09/2025 14:49

Now you're just being silly and using an excess of hyperbole.
Digital ID will not stop people having free will or being human. If it stops some people's free desire to act in a criminal way or makes it easier to find out who has done so, then that's a good thing.
I can't imagine spending so much time worrying about who might have some information about me when they already do, it must be very draining. Digital ID will come whether you want it or not. I'd rather spend my time doing interesting things.

It's not about having the information, it's what's done with it that matters.

rriffraff · 30/09/2025 15:00

Buxusmortus · 30/09/2025 14:49

Now you're just being silly and using an excess of hyperbole.
Digital ID will not stop people having free will or being human. If it stops some people's free desire to act in a criminal way or makes it easier to find out who has done so, then that's a good thing.
I can't imagine spending so much time worrying about who might have some information about me when they already do, it must be very draining. Digital ID will come whether you want it or not. I'd rather spend my time doing interesting things.

So you don't care if others around you have their freedoms taken away because you will be a model citizen?

scalt · 30/09/2025 15:01

randomchap · 30/09/2025 14:32

I'm all for healthy cynicism, but the leap from digital IDs to not being able to drive a car that you've paid for is somewhat extreme.

Here is an example which is much less blatant, and much less far-reaching, but the principle is the same; and I think we are not a million miles away from this being a reality. Straight out of the playbook of 1984.

Notice that we are slowly, slowly being nudged to move away from owning physical media such as DVDs, CDs, and even books: use kindles instead. Some people say proudly that they don't have a single DVD or CD, or book: they use Netflix, Spotify, and read everything on Kindle, while cheerfully paying their "subscriptions". We are encouraged to download or stream these instead. We are also being encouraged to store our computing data in "the cloud", instead of on our hard disks. Computer programs or "apps": you don't buy a CD in an oversized box like you used to. You download it, and you probably have to keep paying for it regularly, instead of buying it once and for all. This means that, in the future, we might not be able to actually own the media ourselves: it would be stored remotely. This also means that the government could, in theory, access it, read it, destroy it. If there's an ancient book that they don't like, they can cancel it, and at the flick of a switch, "it will never have existed". This could happen to the book 1984, if a future government decides that it's too informative, and they want to memory-hole it out of existence. See also Fahrenheit 451.

It is happening more and more that we rent things, instead of owning them, or we "subscribe" to them. That means that we have less control over them. And this shift is happening so gradually, we are not noticing it. Every step of the way, it is being sold as a "convenience". With the example of cars: yes, it might be that the only way to have a car for anyone who earns less than six figures is to "subscribe" to it, with the overarching controls from the government. You are given a certain amount of "free mileage" each year, with huge financial penalties for exceeding it, or, the car not starting.

You might think this is crazy now, but it may well become a reality, and then people would be scratching their heads wondering "how did we get here?". This is precisely why we must be vigilant (like Tony Blair and his mates told us to be when "terrorism" was the scary buzzword, so we wouldn't notice him awarding himself a 50% pay rise). This is why even small changes such as this are alarming. Individually, they are not much, but when you put them together, you notice a pattern.

GoInFor · 30/09/2025 15:01

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:34

it wont stop illegal working or the mass immigration issue.

Eh?

And the answer to my question is….

(asked again for links to the factual evidence that Euan Blair’s company is rolling out the ID system)

randomchap · 30/09/2025 15:01

YorkshireGoldie · 30/09/2025 14:51

It’s not really. Look up 15 minute cities.

15 minute cities? The idea that everything you need should be within 15 minutes travel. Local shops, local GPs, local schools etc. That's a very good thing.

scalt · 30/09/2025 15:03

randomchap · 30/09/2025 15:01

15 minute cities? The idea that everything you need should be within 15 minutes travel. Local shops, local GPs, local schools etc. That's a very good thing.

What you missed out of your summary was "with the rule that you are only allowed out of your your own 15-minute-box a certain number of times, with severe consequences if you exceed this".

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 15:04

rriffraff · 30/09/2025 15:00

So you don't care if others around you have their freedoms taken away because you will be a model citizen?

People who aren’t a problem don’t need this. It’ll do nothing for those who are driven to or resort to crime.

Why be so lax about freedoms. It’s strange. Agree btw

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 15:07

scalt · 30/09/2025 15:01

Here is an example which is much less blatant, and much less far-reaching, but the principle is the same; and I think we are not a million miles away from this being a reality. Straight out of the playbook of 1984.

Notice that we are slowly, slowly being nudged to move away from owning physical media such as DVDs, CDs, and even books: use kindles instead. Some people say proudly that they don't have a single DVD or CD, or book: they use Netflix, Spotify, and read everything on Kindle, while cheerfully paying their "subscriptions". We are encouraged to download or stream these instead. We are also being encouraged to store our computing data in "the cloud", instead of on our hard disks. Computer programs or "apps": you don't buy a CD in an oversized box like you used to. You download it, and you probably have to keep paying for it regularly, instead of buying it once and for all. This means that, in the future, we might not be able to actually own the media ourselves: it would be stored remotely. This also means that the government could, in theory, access it, read it, destroy it. If there's an ancient book that they don't like, they can cancel it, and at the flick of a switch, "it will never have existed". This could happen to the book 1984, if a future government decides that it's too informative, and they want to memory-hole it out of existence. See also Fahrenheit 451.

It is happening more and more that we rent things, instead of owning them, or we "subscribe" to them. That means that we have less control over them. And this shift is happening so gradually, we are not noticing it. Every step of the way, it is being sold as a "convenience". With the example of cars: yes, it might be that the only way to have a car for anyone who earns less than six figures is to "subscribe" to it, with the overarching controls from the government. You are given a certain amount of "free mileage" each year, with huge financial penalties for exceeding it, or, the car not starting.

You might think this is crazy now, but it may well become a reality, and then people would be scratching their heads wondering "how did we get here?". This is precisely why we must be vigilant (like Tony Blair and his mates told us to be when "terrorism" was the scary buzzword, so we wouldn't notice him awarding himself a 50% pay rise). This is why even small changes such as this are alarming. Individually, they are not much, but when you put them together, you notice a pattern.

Exactly. This is what alerted me a few years ago when Google music 'stole' one of my music (paid outright for, not subscribed) albums. I was furious as it was a favourite of mine and one I'd replaced as I'd lost the original vinyl album when I escaped my bad situation. I grew suspicious of the subscription model, replaced my album on ebay with a second hand cd and never take subscriptions out.

They'll price wet fuel car owners out of driving their cars by increasing tax on wet fuel until they're no longer affordable.

randomchap · 30/09/2025 15:08

scalt · 30/09/2025 15:03

What you missed out of your summary was "with the rule that you are only allowed out of your your own 15-minute-box a certain number of times, with severe consequences if you exceed this".

This thread has attracted the conspiracy theorists.

Are those rules in the room with you right now?

bombastix · 30/09/2025 15:09

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 14:23

They'll have your biometrics as well so you won't be able to pretend your auntie Mabel is driving it.

My laptop and phone already ask for my biometrics to access…

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 15:12

randomchap · 30/09/2025 15:08

This thread has attracted the conspiracy theorists.

Are those rules in the room with you right now?

It’s attracted Labourites who are do whatever Starmer it’s fine.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 15:13

I know people who grew up under communism. They truly had no freedom. It was traumatic for those involved. Freedom is valuable and something to be protected.

As for being a conspiracy theorist. Extreme things happen. Look at Gaza. A few years ago did you think you'd be watching such a thing happen on your TV? Trump as president of the US? Russia threatening us with nuclear war, again?Did covid come as a surprise? Things happen, things change all the time. Nothing is guaranteed to remain the same.

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 15:22

bombastix · 30/09/2025 15:09

My laptop and phone already ask for my biometrics to access…

Yes, but they're not included in a government digital identity who will be able to tell what all your movements and spending are.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/09/2025 15:29

smallglassbottle · 30/09/2025 15:22

Yes, but they're not included in a government digital identity who will be able to tell what all your movements and spending are.

I think what I don't understand is why you think what is essentially a digital passport or work permit (name, address, date of birth, nationality, all things that the government already holds digitally in relation to you if you have a passport or driving licence or pay any form of tax at central or local level) is going to lead to the government having access to your movements and retail purchasing history with non-governmental retailers?

CJsGoldfish · 30/09/2025 15:29

I've never missed the laughing reaction more 😂

Isn't there a nutters board when all the conspiracy theorists can hang out and froth together?

Take the 15min city conspiracy theory.. "with the rule that you are only allowed out of your your own 15-minute-box a certain number of times, with severe consequences if you exceed this"
Uh-huh 😂

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 15:31

CJsGoldfish · 30/09/2025 15:29

I've never missed the laughing reaction more 😂

Isn't there a nutters board when all the conspiracy theorists can hang out and froth together?

Take the 15min city conspiracy theory.. "with the rule that you are only allowed out of your your own 15-minute-box a certain number of times, with severe consequences if you exceed this"
Uh-huh 😂

Is there a Starmer’s ID sign up where you can all get it and leave us out of it?

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/09/2025 15:34

As I understand it, the digital ID is a form of disruption. It's not intended to make it easier to deport illegal immigrants. It's intended to make it much harder for illegal immigrants to find work here, and therefore to reduce illegal immigration by putting off those people who are coming here unlawfully because they want to work.

I have no idea whether it will work or not but there does seem to be a lot of misunderstandings about what it will involve and why it's being considered.

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