To think Labour want to lose the election

[Malshot]

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Youth unemployment is much worse in the EU and opening this visa route isn't going to do anything to alleviate the youth unemployment that we have. We'd see a trickle of people leave here because young people don't have the language skills, plus there are fewer jobs in Europe relative to here.

The election? Which election? Are you talking about an election in 4 years?

With the way they're behaving, I think it's a case of them knowing they're going to lose, so they're doing as much as they can to damage the country before they're booted out.

Even if 70% of people voted reform, we’d still get a labour government. Reform’s voters are spread too thinly across the country, so reform wouldn’t win many constituencies. Labour’s votes are concentrated more efficiently, so Labour would still win most seats.
On top of that, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland all have devolved governments, where Labour (and other parties, not Reform) are much stronger. That adds even more seats to Labour’s side.

For the foreseeable, we will have left or hard-left governments.

Jesus Christ you can't honestly believe that.

They are sure doing a damn good job of fucking up the country at the moment.

I hope you’re right but I don’t see it, we have a reform council and I hate it racist idiots in power.

freedom of movement for our kids would be brilliant, it is one the biggest losses of BREXIT.

One of the milibands(I forget which said when Labour won it was probably the UKs last go at centrist politics. I feel for labour can’t do anything right, can’t cut pensions or benefits. Can’t tax the rich too much as they will fuck off. Can’t raise taxes but please provide evermore for our elderly and sick population.

The math sucks there aren’t any good / easy decisions and no matter what you do. You piss someone off. Apparently this is a bad thing so they immediately ping off in the opposite direction to try something else. I think need to make decisions and stick to them rather than the constant flip flopping and uncertainty.

Reeves just wants to fuck this country up as much as humanly possible. Our own young people are struggling for jobs how the hell would this help. She needs sacking! Shes done more damage than Liz Truss!

The Welsh Labour run Senedd is deeply unpopular now here in Wales and rightly so. They are predicted to be ousted next May in the Senedd elections. Plaid and Reform are neck and neck at the moment.

I think they're doing what Tony Blair did; make it impossible for the next government to undo what they've done.

Another perspective I have is that they are so unaware of how unpopular they are that they've managed to delude themselves. "How can we lose? We're doing wonderfully!". It's the Seymour Skinner meme.

I am not a fan of labour, but I don’t think it’s a case of want to, but more they don’t have a magic wand to solve things people want solved (nor would reform despite what they say) people expect magic to occur fairly quickly in a government which isn’t . I also think internally labour struggle to “pick a lane” most of the country is more centre, Keir is etc, but they have a big tug to the more left wing aspects of their party. In many ways it would be better if they had a split of labour and a decent left wing party (our party doesn’t count!) and a decent centre party instead of trying to combine that in one.

Yes there will be minimal movement of UK young people going to the EU and lots the other way. Language issues and less flexible employment practices in the EU countries.

Am I the only one whose family is full of people who went to work somewhere in Europe for a while in their 20s then moved back? DH did a couple of years in Luxembourg and Germany in the banking sector straight after Uni. One cousin worked in Greece doing holiday rep work for a season, another taught English as a Foreign Language in Spain for one school year. Another cousin’s now DH did a year in Spain working as a handy man for British people who had holiday homes. 2 friends who were training to be solicitors were sent for a couple of months to go to the European offices of their company. (Doing a stint in another office was just standard training).

20 years ago this wasn’t noteworthy- young people might move from the north west to London to get some work for a couple of years then come back to settle down, they might just as easily go to Spain or france and it wasn’t a big deal in the early 00s.

These Visas might not change much, but I’d been a bit sad my kids generation won’t have that easy opportunity to go work aboard unless they went long haul to Australia or Canada- surely if you are a parent you’d see this as a good thing that your kids would have this chance?

What have they done go damage the country?
All I can see is them trying to sort out the mess the previous administration made.
And there is four years before the next election!

I would say a couple of these examples are quite “privileged” level roles. The banker and solicitors presumably would have had accommodation provided for them or paid for by their employers.

What are they doing worse than the Tories?

@Malshot- also can you explain which election you think Labour are about to lose? Because the General Election is 4 years away and only Reform Party people are pushing the idea Labour would go early, even though there’s no logical reason why they would.

I can’t believe the stupidity on this thread

An election is 4 years away, so I'm not sure why some people seem to think that we will get one anytime soon?

Yes. Labour winning the last election had very little to do with people’s faith in their competence, it was determined more by how deep the Tories had dug their own hole over the past many years.

Labour’s entire premiership has been constantly married by mistakes that Starmer didn't need to make. Utterly weak and ineffectual and on record as saying he doesn’t like politics. In any case, he’s an internationalist more interested in Davos and the WEF than Westminster or the welfare of Britain in particular. He’s said it himself.

It’s about time people realised there is no silver bullet or party that can solve all the problems and please everyone

a lot of the problems are impossible tasks

Solicitors on a placement yes - banking it was just a job applied for so same as any other employee. That was a standard route for British graduates if you didn’t get a job in London, American banks employed British graduates in their European offices. Do a couple of years, come back with experience.

The ones who got accommodation paid for them were those working the tourist industry. You’d earn about the same as similar jobs in the UK but live in making it worth doing for a year or two.

But that said. we have a society where we are at around 40% of the working population have a degree, it’s not really elitist anymore to be talking about graduate opportunities.

This is more to do with the fact that most of those who voted remain bemoan the loss of opportunities for our young people.
Those opportunities still exist of course, you just have to fill in a few more forms. But this is to remove that heavy admin burden.

It doesn’t matter whether Labour want to lose the next election or not. They will, regardless.

Does anyone actually pay attention to that the government is actually doing? They're far from perfect and they were starting from a bad place but actually when you look at some of the things they're implementing there's some good sensible stuff in there.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we go into the next general election in 4 years time with a different leader for both Labour and the Conservatives.