To think it's a bit harsh to say people who've never worked shouldn't get benefits?

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Was reading another thread where many were saying if someone has never worked they shouldn't get any benefits but couldn't comment because it had reached 1000 comments.

I know this might be an unpopular opinion but I don't agree because that would include young mums who can't work because they have a baby to look after. Most of them will get a job when their child is a little older. Why are they any different from older mums who've fallen on hard times and need help?

And I know people will say it's because they've never worked and haven't proven themselves unlazy etc and could be on the dole forever but why should they have their lives ruined just because of something people think MIGHT happen.

Job seekers is £400pm, and less if you are under 25 I think.
How many hours of work is that a week? It will have to be min wage?
Would they get holiday pay? sickness pay? Pension? If not then why not?
If they do the labour with none of the benefits then that is not right.

then they have choices. Find a way of supporting the child, and if not possible, have it adopted into a home which can provide for it or terminate.
Harsh but true. Wanting something is not always enough.

Problem is it's often middle class lefties that think everybody is a poor victim that couldn't possibly do a day's work - not always but often. Many have not had much exposure to the kind of people that take the piss.

It's near impossible to sort the grifters from the genuinely needy but I'd bet that if benefits were stopped tomorrow a fair few might suddenly find the ability to work.

My mate's brother certainly did when his mum finally told him he had to move out at 35. He'd been smoking weed and playing Playstation for years whilst she grafted long shifts as a nurse.

I wouldn't like to be in Ms Reeves' shoes when she has to announce her budget.

Mind you, giving a big dollop of cash to the train drivers (without a productivity agreement) didn't help.

No wonder she was crying in the HOC.

I hope he's serving a very long sentence.

Doing community work isn’t shaming people. It’s doing community work and has been suggested by politicians in the past.

It’s not an unusual suggestion

No but withholding money might.

God forbid they do a few hours a week even.

No. He has joint custody of their kid. Not ideal but not my life to make decisions about either. It is very tough for her.

Stronger emotions hahahahaha oh the arrogance of youth

A business wouldn't be providing all that if it wasn't making a profit or being funded somehow.

People on job seekers have to prove they are doing so many hours of work search activities each week.
Maybe if they were struggling to do the hours then some volunteer work might be an option. But they are allowed to find their own volunteer work to do and that counts towards the hours anyway.
No need to publicly shame them with hi-viz vests. Why do the public need to know they are on benefits?

Withholding money wont make peoples disabilities vanish and it wont make people magically employ them.

Some people go on about people they know who are smoking weed and gaming. Who is going to employ them? Be realistic

Have you ever interviewed somebody who doesn't actually want the job?

Too bad it's not the Victorian days and I chose neither of those. Tell me you never did anything reckless or stupid when you were 15 ? I love my child and have no regrets and have had a job my whole life since he was a couple years old. So not the terminal sponge people think all young parents become or set out to be

I’m almost jealous of how neat and uncomplicated some people’s lives are. 16 year olds should be living with their parents; they shouldn’t be having sex; they should get abortions; if their parents throw them out they should move in with the father.

It’s like some of you are living in a pristine, middle class, immaculately shiny bubble. Do you even fart?

I hope they're just being thoughtless rather than us having so many psychopaths in society. Someone would need to be completely devoid of empathy to think people who don't work should be left on the streets starving to death.

My mate's brother got a job as a work coach for the DWP after not working for almost a decade. 🤣 Tbf he might be the perfect person for the job.

No I am not an employer
How does someone even get to interviews stage of they dont want the job?

I imagine it is a very hard job to do and as far as I am aware most on are UC too as they are not paid enough. Very ironic realy.

Maybe do a bit of research on what the job centre do.

Why can't young mums work?

It is going to become what Romani Gibsies in Eastern Europe do - take communal land without asking anyone, build ramshacks, grow swine for meat and find a way to bring electricity but refuse to pay for it and when the electric companies employees try to come for the bills doors to doors, they are met with men with axes. Or they will go on boats somewhere.....people will always take what they need if they can for survival. My question is why English don't wake up a little bit more

Dh has a miniscule business. It's far too small to be able to afford to make hiring errors, especially if the rules Angela Rayner was suggesting are ever enforced. Much easier not to hire at all. But that means no economic growth. Because there won't be a new job.

He's on £32k.