ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

The same way you do when you apply for your first passport. These processes already exist.

Well since the vast majority of people seem to carry their phones with them in most of these places, it should be fine to carry their electronic ID

Do it is mostly fine with me though I do share earlier posted concerns about people (mainly the older and disenfranchised) who will struggle with the digital aspect.

Also far too easy in this country to change your name. In France for example you need a damn good reason.

No, no, no and no again! All this information will be stored... where? With whom? When (not if) will it get hacked and then what? What about future governments who may misuse the system? What about the introduction of a Chinese style Social credit system? No. No no no.

Oh, I suppose if it’s a digital smartphone ID card only then they may not charge.

Plus don’t forget how much information is harvested from your mobile. They even know exactly where you are!

Im beginning to think the Uk population are incredibly stupid.

If you think countries with ID cards don’t have illegal immigrants or that people select the UK because of “lack of ID cards” I don’t know what to tell you.

He was also opposed to a third runway at Heathrow, which was good.

But that’s about it.

Do you have a passport, or a driving licence? Or a national insurance number? Or an NHS number? The government already have access to more information than even you know about yourself.

How about social media? An Apple / Android account? Have you read the T&Cs on the apps you have on your phone?

I’m trying to think of all the benefits of having a single ID number.

When I was born, my parents registered my birth and my birth certificate has both my parents ID numbers on it. In current times I think every baby born now has at least their mother’s ID number. When you travel as children, your parents have to prove their identity and both parents have to ‘allow’ the child to travel. There are special rules to allow children to travel without their parents.

Surely in the UK you can just change your name to whatever it is you want? Here, your birth name is linked to your number.

The same place probably where NHS, DVLA, HMRC, DWP, and passport office?

And the existence of an ID would change this how?

I’ve just posted the same thing.

Just remember:

Digital ID -> Digital Currency -> Social Credit System

Their plan is if you resist they will watch you starve.

The proposal specifically says digital ID that will be on people's smartphones. There's no mention of what would happen for people who don't have or can't use a smartphone.

I wouldn't boast about that.

If you don't have a passport an ID application will presumably be a similar process for a first time passport. If you already have a passport, an encrypted wallet card version can be supplied without further application. I'm guessing!

Ireland has a passport card which can be used throughout the EU. It is very handy to slip in the card holder when going through airports etc. It is an encrypted copy of the photo page on the main passport. But it is not compulsory to carry it around with you (yet!) in Ireland.

Probably need to know someone of good standing in the community or right sort of job for 2 years, This is so for a passport and some can't get one as they don't know such people

There is a link, it’s so easy to pick up casual work here, the illegal migrants know that. Also
to access free health care. Much harder in the rest of Europe. Illegal migrants are attracted by that flexibility.

Even before the hacker suggestion, several questions occur to me as needing to be answered.

Who will be typing the data into the system?
Will it be double-checked?
Will there be secure ways to ensure that nobody employed to input data adds spurious people and issues ID for them, for payment? (The chances are this will be minimum wage gruntwork, so a bit of extra money will be welcomed by them. And the moment you create such a system, organised crime immediately sets out to subvert it or make money out of it: genuine ID card, illegal immigrant? Not a problem, we'll get you one for a thousand quid. Genuine ID card in a different name, bank robber? No problem, we'll get you one for fifty thousand smackers.)
Will we have access to our own data in order to be able to correct mistakes made by the people typing it in?
If the data is inaccurate, can it be swiftly corrected?
Who else will have access to it?

What security will be in place to ensure nobody without proper authorisation has that access?

What is the cost, and what is the financial benefit (if any)? To whom, in each case?

Yay more faff and hoops to jump through for legal citizens! Those in nursing homes and with limited abilities are going to love it!

What @Aaron95 said

and OP what do you mean by asylum seekers saying they can get lost ? sorry not understanding what you mean there

And those who can't access a passport because they can't complete the necessary checks? Those who are vulnerable and/or on the fringes of society? This is proposed to be compulsory, and so must be accessible for all citizens.

You have to be particularly gullible if you think ID cards will stop illegal immigration. Stopping the benefits will, but no one wants to try that.

Unless you are off grid with no computer records anywhere (which you aren't because you are on MN) I don't think you can go through life completely incognito.

ID cards are a brilliant idea for people who don't have a passport or driving licence.