The autumn budget should cut benefits before increasing tax

[Leett]

There is talk of Labour breaking their election pledge and increasing income tax by 2p. I doubt they'd do that because voters will revolt. However they need to do something with the state pension due to increase by 4.7% next year.
I really hope they cut benefits / pensions before the deciding to increase taxes.

Some people really don’t have any idea of how things actually work, and yet still feel qualified to comment !!

So
Have kids, work !! and get a free nursery place
Responsibility is on the parents.

Kids didn’t lose out in the last generation from not having nursery places.
I didn’t go to nursery, my mum worked and I had to trail around after her and we all managed just fine when we went to school.

The point however is the country cannot afford free nursery places.

Certain things have to give and this imo is one of them.

Because lots of people can't afford the zoo at £30 each! But they don't get cheapo tickets. It isn't fair.

If they aren't eligible then they are obviously on a better income than those that are. Disadvantaged children getting cheap tickets shouldn't be making you froth at the mouth.

We never took child benefits as our income was too high.

My main thing is if you're healthy and physically able.... Why continue to rely on the state and not be sufficient on your income?

They need to get more people paying tax NOT the same people paying more tax.

Grow the economy. That's the thing to do.

Reducing take home reduces the economy.

Not 10x better though. Which is why it is unfair. Some of these schemes do overcorrect so it's little wonder those in the middle feel increasingly frustrated.

@Ccsvs
Is quite rightly annoyed that she and her dh work hard whilst others can get benefits long term and not work or benefits for a lifetime if they’re on UC and only have to work 16 hours ( couple) ie 8 hours each.

Its a very straightforward and obvious concept.

People should have to work full time to get UC.
Short term out of work benefits should be just that…..short term

Maybe before people reach pension age we should just euthanise them - oh wait - aren’t they the very people who worked for years to contribute to the pensions of generations above them. Try living on £12,000 a year and see how luxurious life is. And not all pensioners are mortgage free or pay no rent. And let’s not forget the ones who freeze to death every winter because they can’t afford to heat their homes. Maybe shout out to make life fair for everyone instead of targeting the old and the needy. I Hope you never fall on hard times and have to claim benefits.

Before you say it we don't get free school meals, prescriptions or dentist cost whilst claiming UC although we could do with the help.

I'd rather you had those things than cheap zoo tickets to be honest.

We could also look at a system whereby greedy private landlords increase their rents every year when benefits are uprated.

Sounds great, meanwhile food prices and gas and electric prices are on the rise. So why do you think people living in poverty need to suffer?

It's not the kids fault. It is the feckless parents who have them and expect everything to be given to them on a plate who are to blame.

Your mum took you to work with her? For 5 years?

Did i say i didn't have a property? We bought a house but unfortunately due to my dhs ill health he didn't work after 54 years old, at that point we had three teenagers who all needed feeding and clothing. He wasn't entitled to any benefits as they didn't recognise his illness. So i worked 5 part time jobs to pay everything including the mortgage we'd had to extend so I could afford it. when the kids left home and I retired we sold it and downsized to a park home which we still have to pay ground rent on. There wasn't full equity because we'd had to reduce payments, we came very close to repossession but luckily Halifax were very helpful to us.
I have a small private pension that gives me £56 a month, I couldn't afford to pay more in.

What I'm trying to explain is that there really aren't many people in this country that can afford to be self sufficient. You're saying why aren't healthy people self suffient when the likelihood is that you are not self suffient. I'm not talking about child benefit, benefits are a drop in the ocean to a tax payer, I'm talking about state education, healthcare, security, roads, bins, fire, services.

Oooh - how do you propose this is done?

The middle get very very little
Of course they’re going to be pissed off when they can’t afford the zoo for their kids whilst others get yet another thing for free.

These are the guys paying the most in taxes
These are the guys propping up the system.
These are the guys with less time to spend with their kids
These are the guys struggling to find care for their kids in the long school holidays

They have every right to be frothing about it…..
For @Digdongdoo too

Same.

Stop reading the daily mail.

In today's news I read that there are pleas to tax gambling companies more in order to lift the 2 child benefit cap

See. Not frothing. Just recognising objective unfairness.

This.

Your mixing up two issues
@Ccsvs is clearly talking about self sufficiency in terms of benefits because

thats what this thread is all about