The autumn budget should cut benefits before increasing tax

[Leett]

There is talk of Labour breaking their election pledge and increasing income tax by 2p. I doubt they'd do that because voters will revolt. However they need to do something with the state pension due to increase by 4.7% next year.
I really hope they cut benefits / pensions before the deciding to increase taxes.

This came up in a thread earlier this week. Surprising the number of people who think that wider family should care for, and in some cases financially support disabled/elderly people within the family to save the burden on the tax payer. It’s often those who don’t actually have any caring responsibilities who advocate it too. Absolutely no idea of the time, effort and expense of caring for and supporting anyone with significant need - be it through age or disability. Just down tools, pack in your job and get on with it.

In many cases these same people don’t agree with the payment of disability or carers benefits even though in combination they save the country a fortune in care costs that would otherwise fall to much more expensive social care packages. And that’s something we’ll all know about when the cut to PIP is introduced next year. People who would have funded their own care through PIP and carers allowance will be ineligible for the benefits, but the needs will still be there and will fall to social care. So the cut won’t save a penny.

Yes, it does. HTH

Both of which are understandable. But it's not really reasonable to expect people who can't afford houses to fund the heating in some else's spare bedrooms. There's got to be some give and take.

And we’d have lots more money to support such people if we weren’t chucking money at people to live independently when they had other options.

No it doesn't! People choose to have children - people who are already born get older and become pensioners - they don't choose to get older!

People are choosing to not have dc though as they can't afford it.

I would imagine that someone who is prescribed that amount of paracetamol would find it rather difficult to just do a round of the shops.

@Digdongdoo 100%, I get it but something has to give.

Choosing to contribute isn't the same as being expected to contribute.

Retirement is a choice

Retirement is a choice

Quite

Care to expand on the ‘other options’ ?

It is not a choice - are you saying that people should work until they drop then? Then we would get people moaning that older people are blocking young people from getting jobs - sob, sob!

Well yes. Why would you sell your home to move to a less desirable one and not even release. So still no heating for the elderly despite the turmoil. Do you intend to do that?

Anyone who even agrees to save money on benefits on these threads gets 'bashed down' and torn apart, but somewhere working people who get NOTHING back pay for it. They're not free.

We do. If you save for your future, you can put the heating on? You do reep what you sow. If you choose not to work/ study/ finance your own lifestyle then life will be hard.

If you have paid into the system and circumstances change that is a very different story but having kids you can't afford, calling yourself unable to work for things that are not a disability or choosing part time work and benefits top up is all a choice.

As they funded others.

Are you saying nobody should reproduce either?

Exactly. It’s also the slippery slope to disabled people being once again confined to institutions. In the rush to cut benefits to disabled people, what’s not being considered is that these benefits were designed to facilitate more disabled people living independently to reduce the cost of full time care if it’s not needed. Putting the burden back on families is a massive step backwards.

Not to the same extent that younger/working people are having to fund the increasing number of longer living older/retired folks.

I wish some posters on mumsnet would actually meet people who are not their grans, mums or aunties and actually understand that people of all ages have different lives,with complications and issues which are caused by a lack of freedom in the way we live, not always because they made the 'wrong choices' or were lazy or are so called 'greedy boomers'.
Capitalism does not make us free, it encourages nasty hatred when resources are few.Tech now likes to put everyone in their age box and not look at individuals.Well done for swallowing all the social media crap you are fed.
I am not going to assume that all Millenials or Gen z are off on destination weddings or that all 65 year olds are retired and happily pushing their grandkids around the park.I think its hard to get a job for many young people and some do not like the world around them and are very scared.But some people who are older are also very scared if they do not have all the things they are supposed to have, even if they tried hard to get them.But only the young are forgiven.Only the young have OCD and ADHD apparently.
I feel we all need to support each other as workers and human beings.Who says a life skill is driving a car?.There are too many around and it creates a bubble of self - interest and a lack of interest in community and public transport.If people were not working stupid hours we might have time to do more than crash with Netflix.Perhaps many older people might like to work but the institutional ageism which is a totally acceptable one it would seem, prevents that.With tech physical capabilities are less important but still it seems older people have been frozen out and then they get bullied for daring to want to survive with benefits of which the pension is apparently one to some people.
We need to show compassion to each other and listen and find a way to ensure that everyone thrives and everyone feels life is worth living beyond mere survival.That involves inclusive activism.Wont find it on here,

They tried to cut benefits and still got moaned at. Pension is not a benefit its an insurance you pay into

Just vote Toy or reform. Half the idiots voting for Garbaage are moaning about not being able to get council houses. They need to look at themselves plus who got rid of them, instead of blaming other people for being a loser. Wonder how they will fix their hangovers now paracetamol is off their shopping list!

Pensions are 100% a benefit. Have you read the legislation that backs up the payment?

Agree. But until a better system comes along, or the whole thing ois scrapped, it’s the one we’re stuck with. Why blame the recipients ?

It won't solve the problem, but added to other revenue will make a good difference

Pension is nost definitely classed as a state benefit, what makes you think it isn't?