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Will countries take accountability for their own?

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:06

A story in the BBC today. Man blames Trump for husband wives death giving birth in Afghanistan because Trump sends them less aid now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgqdneev1no

Flabbergasted that the US should pay for everything. Surely these countries with their own government's and choices pay for their own.

Close up of Abdul Wakeel looking at the camera while holding his young daughter against a rural backdrop and blue sky in Shesh Pol in the north-eastern Badakhshan province of Afghanistan.

BBC investigates Afghan maternal deaths after US aid cuts

The BBC hears devastating accounts of Afghan mothers and babies dying after US-backed clinics shut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgqdneev1no

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:08

Allegedly the Taliban has stolen around 11 million dollars of aid from its people. So money sent from the US ends up funding the Taliban

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GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:08

Maybe countries like the US and UK shouldn't go sticking their nose and military into countries like Afghanistan in the first place?

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:10

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:08

Maybe countries like the US and UK shouldn't go sticking their nose and military into countries like Afghanistan in the first place?

Agree, just let them.get on with it.

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:10

"There's no certainty the mother and baby would've survived if they'd been treated at the clinic, but without it, they didn't stand a chance, underlining the undeniable impact of US aid cuts in Afghanistan.

For decades, America has been the largest donor to Afghanistan, and in 2024, US funds made up a staggering 43% of all aid coming into the country.

The Trump administration has justified withdrawing it, saying there were "credible and longstanding concerns that funding was benefiting terrorist groups, including... the Taliban", who govern the country. The US government further added that they had reports stating, external that at least $11m were "being siphoned or enriching the Taliban"."

Of course its the fault of the US.

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GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:23

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:10

"There's no certainty the mother and baby would've survived if they'd been treated at the clinic, but without it, they didn't stand a chance, underlining the undeniable impact of US aid cuts in Afghanistan.

For decades, America has been the largest donor to Afghanistan, and in 2024, US funds made up a staggering 43% of all aid coming into the country.

The Trump administration has justified withdrawing it, saying there were "credible and longstanding concerns that funding was benefiting terrorist groups, including... the Taliban", who govern the country. The US government further added that they had reports stating, external that at least $11m were "being siphoned or enriching the Taliban"."

Of course its the fault of the US.

Why shouldn't America provide the bulk of the aid? They were the architects of the war and then responsible for implementing a chaotic withdrawal that knowingly put the Taliban in power. The aid that they contributed to Afghanistan is a drop in the ocean compared to the over $2 trillion they spent on inflicting a pointless war in that country. If anything, 43% of the aid doesn't reflect the scale of their responsibility in the conflict.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:27

Before the US war they were at war with the Russians.

"Events Leading to Instability:
Saur Revolution: The political stability was disrupted by the Saur Revolution of 1978, which led to a Marxist-Leninist government.
Soviet-Afghan War: The subsequent Soviet invasion in the 1980s plunged the country into conflict.
Post-Soviet Period: After the Soviet withdrawal, a civil war continued between the Mujahadeen and the Soviet-backed government.

Its been unstable long before US involvement.

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:28

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:23

Why shouldn't America provide the bulk of the aid? They were the architects of the war and then responsible for implementing a chaotic withdrawal that knowingly put the Taliban in power. The aid that they contributed to Afghanistan is a drop in the ocean compared to the over $2 trillion they spent on inflicting a pointless war in that country. If anything, 43% of the aid doesn't reflect the scale of their responsibility in the conflict.

Forgot to quote you

Before the US war they were at war with the Russians.

"Events Leading to Instability:
Saur Revolution: The political stability was disrupted by the Saur Revolution of 1978, which led to a Marxist-Leninist government.
Soviet-Afghan War: The subsequent Soviet invasion in the 1980s plunged the country into conflict.
Post-Soviet Period: After the Soviet withdrawal, a civil war continued between the Mujahadeen and the Soviet-backed government.

Its been unstable long before US involvement.

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randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:29

Pulling the aid with zero warning and not allowing the countries time to put together their own services to replace them puts the blame on the Trump administration

You may not have noticed it but Afghanistan has been in a state of war for decades. It's not a nice stable country that can put together something to replace usaid immediately

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:30

randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:29

Pulling the aid with zero warning and not allowing the countries time to put together their own services to replace them puts the blame on the Trump administration

You may not have noticed it but Afghanistan has been in a state of war for decades. It's not a nice stable country that can put together something to replace usaid immediately

As I said its been unstable for a long time. Previously at war with Russia. Should they not provide aid?

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Lifeinthepit · 15/09/2025 09:30

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:23

Why shouldn't America provide the bulk of the aid? They were the architects of the war and then responsible for implementing a chaotic withdrawal that knowingly put the Taliban in power. The aid that they contributed to Afghanistan is a drop in the ocean compared to the over $2 trillion they spent on inflicting a pointless war in that country. If anything, 43% of the aid doesn't reflect the scale of their responsibility in the conflict.

Afghanistan was hardly Shangri-La before the US invasion. The Taliban were blowing up all their ancient monuments and enforcing extreme Islamism well before then.

randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:32

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:30

As I said its been unstable for a long time. Previously at war with Russia. Should they not provide aid?

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The same Russia that is under trade embargoes with many countries and is currently an international pariah due to the invasion of Ukraine. That Russia?

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:33

Lifeinthepit · 15/09/2025 09:30

Afghanistan was hardly Shangri-La before the US invasion. The Taliban were blowing up all their ancient monuments and enforcing extreme Islamism well before then.

So fine to go in there, inflict more violence and destruction, and then skip out without a backwards glance?

Lifeinthepit · 15/09/2025 09:36

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:33

So fine to go in there, inflict more violence and destruction, and then skip out without a backwards glance?

Well that was hardly how it happened. But I do agree that to just pull out and leave the country to the Taliban again was terrible.

BMW6 · 15/09/2025 09:40

I thought Afghanistan has been unstable since the dawn of time, with constantly warring tribes when they weren't being invaded by The Rest Of The World

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:47

randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:32

The same Russia that is under trade embargoes with many countries and is currently an international pariah due to the invasion of Ukraine. That Russia?

Yes that Russia. They don't 'need' to invade another country and if they didn't wouldn't have trade sanctioned.

The war with Afghanistan ended but now they are at war with Ukraine. Creating more problems.

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Kago2790 · 15/09/2025 09:48

Always a focus on the Anglosphere in the UK media too. I remember 2019 cyclone Idai hit Mozambique. 1500 deaths, 3 million affected. It was way down the news after the top story of Australian bush fires which caused 33 deaths.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:49

Lifeinthepit · 15/09/2025 09:30

Afghanistan was hardly Shangri-La before the US invasion. The Taliban were blowing up all their ancient monuments and enforcing extreme Islamism well before then.

Agree. Another extreme islamist controlled country in choas. So many countries having problems with extremists who 'run them/govern them'.

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:51

Kago2790 · 15/09/2025 09:48

Always a focus on the Anglosphere in the UK media too. I remember 2019 cyclone Idai hit Mozambique. 1500 deaths, 3 million affected. It was way down the news after the top story of Australian bush fires which caused 33 deaths.

I agree that more interest in Australia etc, although, Gaza gets huge coverage so some countries do spark interest.

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randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:55

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:47

Yes that Russia. They don't 'need' to invade another country and if they didn't wouldn't have trade sanctioned.

The war with Afghanistan ended but now they are at war with Ukraine. Creating more problems.

So you agree that Russia is unable to supply aid

One unintended consequence of the usaid cuts is the damage to American farmers, whereas usaid used to buy and then redistribute American crops they are no longer doing that. Leaving some American farmers without the market they previously relied upon.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:57

randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:55

So you agree that Russia is unable to supply aid

One unintended consequence of the usaid cuts is the damage to American farmers, whereas usaid used to buy and then redistribute American crops they are no longer doing that. Leaving some American farmers without the market they previously relied upon.

I do agree. But the reason is their own making. They don't need to be at war.

Shame they don't give that aid to another country if they don't wish Afghanistan to get it then.

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JohnnyRememberMe · 15/09/2025 09:57

Women are dying in Afghanistan because the Taliban decrees they can't be treated by male doctors, but women aren't allowed to practice.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:59

JohnnyRememberMe · 15/09/2025 09:57

Women are dying in Afghanistan because the Taliban decrees they can't be treated by male doctors, but women aren't allowed to practice.

I agree they are suffering due to decisions made by men there.

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randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:59

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:57

I do agree. But the reason is their own making. They don't need to be at war.

Shame they don't give that aid to another country if they don't wish Afghanistan to get it then.

The Trump administration cut usaid to all countries. They didn't single out Afghanistan

clubsspadesdiamondshearts · 15/09/2025 10:02

These people are choosing to bring children into war torn, poverty stricken countries, yes it’s not the child’s fault but the child is going to grow up and end up fighting for the country or continuing the cycle of having children who cannot be adequately cared for in their own country anyway. Something needs to be done that isn’t just throwing money at countries who will never change.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:02

randomchap · 15/09/2025 09:59

The Trump administration cut usaid to all countries. They didn't single out Afghanistan

True.

What I meant though was perhaps it should be purchased and distributed to others than need it, maybe to their own poor?

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