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Will countries take accountability for their own?

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 09:06

A story in the BBC today. Man blames Trump for husband wives death giving birth in Afghanistan because Trump sends them less aid now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgqdneev1no

Flabbergasted that the US should pay for everything. Surely these countries with their own government's and choices pay for their own.

Close up of Abdul Wakeel looking at the camera while holding his young daughter against a rural backdrop and blue sky in Shesh Pol in the north-eastern Badakhshan province of Afghanistan.

BBC investigates Afghan maternal deaths after US aid cuts

The BBC hears devastating accounts of Afghan mothers and babies dying after US-backed clinics shut.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgqdneev1no

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:03

clubsspadesdiamondshearts · 15/09/2025 10:02

These people are choosing to bring children into war torn, poverty stricken countries, yes it’s not the child’s fault but the child is going to grow up and end up fighting for the country or continuing the cycle of having children who cannot be adequately cared for in their own country anyway. Something needs to be done that isn’t just throwing money at countries who will never change.

Yes the cycle appears endless.

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randomchap · 15/09/2025 10:04

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:02

True.

What I meant though was perhaps it should be purchased and distributed to others than need it, maybe to their own poor?

And you expect the Trump administration to do that? Sounds like socialism to me and something they would never do

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 10:08

Lots of countries have pulled aid to Afghanistan due into it’s regressive policies towards women and girls if they let females back into education then various streams of funding would be turned back on.

It’s a new phase in a global politics. If you are going to act like an arse then we aren’t funding it. It was generally understood that foreign aid bought a lot of soft political power. That convention has crumbled though and public appetite for global aid has lowered along with living standards.

Decembersunset · 15/09/2025 10:12

US also has taken their gold reserves so sounds logical people blame them. If Afhgan government had money and chose not to build hospitals (which is likely) people would blame them instead of the US.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:12

Tiredofwhataboutery · 15/09/2025 10:08

Lots of countries have pulled aid to Afghanistan due into it’s regressive policies towards women and girls if they let females back into education then various streams of funding would be turned back on.

It’s a new phase in a global politics. If you are going to act like an arse then we aren’t funding it. It was generally understood that foreign aid bought a lot of soft political power. That convention has crumbled though and public appetite for global aid has lowered along with living standards.

There are many countries with their hands out for aid with awful regimes, terrorist leaders, conflicts, and much of the aid is likely stolen anyway.

Perhaps you're right, sort our own problems first, we have enough of them.

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:13

Decembersunset · 15/09/2025 10:12

US also has taken their gold reserves so sounds logical people blame them. If Afhgan government had money and chose not to build hospitals (which is likely) people would blame them instead of the US.

The US allege the Taliban stole 11 million in aid meant for the people.

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hidog · 15/09/2025 10:17

What do you think should happen if a country can’t or won’t look after their own? Should their citizens just be left to die? Assuming you live in the uk, your opinion is coming from a person living in one of the wealthiest counties in the world - do you think your views are possibly skewed by this? Does one person deserve life and quality of life more than another? Do you not think human beings have some form of responsibility for other human beings?

EveningSpread · 15/09/2025 10:23

Countries don’t provide overseas aid out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it for reasons and in ways that benefits them, as well as benefitting those who receive the aid.

Of course there will be consequences to pulling the aid, including deaths that might have been preventable.

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 10:28

This is rage bait for the loony left, that wouldn't be allowed to have opinions in the shit hole that they want aid to be given too.

Literally couldn't make it up.

I'm off for the popcorn.

BMW6 · 15/09/2025 10:32

hidog · 15/09/2025 10:17

What do you think should happen if a country can’t or won’t look after their own? Should their citizens just be left to die? Assuming you live in the uk, your opinion is coming from a person living in one of the wealthiest counties in the world - do you think your views are possibly skewed by this? Does one person deserve life and quality of life more than another? Do you not think human beings have some form of responsibility for other human beings?

I belive their citizens will at some point begin to fight for their own futures, just as each developed country has.

Do you think we got where we are now without suffering, strife, countless unjust deaths and struggle? It has taken us 2000 years to get where we are now.

As for responsibility - it starts with those nearest you. We are not the worlds Police.

CoffeeCantata · 15/09/2025 10:32

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:33

So fine to go in there, inflict more violence and destruction, and then skip out without a backwards glance?

There's another thread running at the moment about 'Why isn't The West intervening to stop the genocide in Sudan (again)".

When The West (whatever that abstract entity might be) tried to stop suffering it's seen as doing the wrong thing. Whenever it just lets people get on with it, it's seen as doing the wrong thing.

The Taliban are appalling. Some countries tried to stop them being appalling and failed (no-one has ever invaded Afghanistan successfully).

It's a mess,sure. But it's incredibly complex and nuanced too.

randomchap · 15/09/2025 10:36

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 10:28

This is rage bait for the loony left, that wouldn't be allowed to have opinions in the shit hole that they want aid to be given too.

Literally couldn't make it up.

I'm off for the popcorn.

Maybe people want to send aid to a shit hole, as you so delightfully called it, to improve the lives of the people there.

It also helps with the soft power of the countries sending that aid.

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 10:43

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Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:44

YesImaman1100 · 15/09/2025 10:28

This is rage bait for the loony left, that wouldn't be allowed to have opinions in the shit hole that they want aid to be given too.

Literally couldn't make it up.

I'm off for the popcorn.

I do agree its rage bait. We aren't allowed to like ourselves, it's all our fault, no matter what it seems that its the fault of others.

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Willthiswork12 · 15/09/2025 10:44

GCAcademic · 15/09/2025 09:08

Maybe countries like the US and UK shouldn't go sticking their nose and military into countries like Afghanistan in the first place?

Agreed I wish we'd just let them get on with it. None of our business.

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:46

Willthiswork12 · 15/09/2025 10:44

Agreed I wish we'd just let them get on with it. None of our business.

Going forward I believe that the US and others will be less involved.

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Willthiswork12 · 15/09/2025 10:50

randomchap · 15/09/2025 10:36

Maybe people want to send aid to a shit hole, as you so delightfully called it, to improve the lives of the people there.

It also helps with the soft power of the countries sending that aid.

The aid doesnt get to the people though. The corrupt leadership takes it.

randomchap · 15/09/2025 10:53

Willthiswork12 · 15/09/2025 10:50

The aid doesnt get to the people though. The corrupt leadership takes it.

Then how did the cutting of usaid affect the people in the op? If it always went to the corrupt leaders then the cuts wouldn't have affected the general population.

hidog · 15/09/2025 11:10

BMW6 · 15/09/2025 10:32

I belive their citizens will at some point begin to fight for their own futures, just as each developed country has.

Do you think we got where we are now without suffering, strife, countless unjust deaths and struggle? It has taken us 2000 years to get where we are now.

As for responsibility - it starts with those nearest you. We are not the worlds Police.

Hmm, where did you get the “2000 years” figure? America, for example, was colonised by Europe 500 years ago. England became a wealthy nation about 4-500 years ago, Scotland about 2-300 years ago. Uk stability historically is largely due to it being an island, not because we deserve it or made it happen. And wealth was built by stealing from other countries through colonisation which involved the enslavement of the people who the countries belonged to.

Personally, I find all that pretty gross, and find it easy to feel that wealthy nations have some responsibility to those that aren’t. Responsibility can be in the form of aid, not just force.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 15/09/2025 11:12

Again, an area/ country that has had their infrastructure and natural social economic development destroyed by foreign rule over centuries.

It's not straight forward, if you look at recent history (last 100 years) you can see how poverty and dependcy on aid was created.

There are countries on this planet that have a lot to answer for.

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:19

Lifeinthepit · 15/09/2025 09:30

Afghanistan was hardly Shangri-La before the US invasion. The Taliban were blowing up all their ancient monuments and enforcing extreme Islamism well before then.

And who funded the Taliban? The USA.

Afghans have been stitched up by the USA and Russia.

nomas · 15/09/2025 11:19

Sophiessister · 15/09/2025 10:44

I do agree its rage bait. We aren't allowed to like ourselves, it's all our fault, no matter what it seems that its the fault of others.

Are you American?

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