What’s the difference? Are the working class less than?

[Tarryawhile]

What’s the difference between the people at the last night of the proms and the people at the march today? Middle class vs working class? I am genuinely mystified. Tommy Robinson apart, he’s not the people’s person he thinks he is.

https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-26-officers-injured-in-disorder-at-central-london-protest-501006

One group is listening to music.

One group was calling for parliament to be dissolved,

No officers should have been hurt if it was a peaceful protest so that is shocking.

My laugh emoji was for the BBC, not for injured officers.

Of course it was...

Other sources are also reporting this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095769/Met-Police-anti-migrant-protesters-26-officers-injured.html

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/london-shabana-mahmood-metropolitan-police-people-katie-hopkins-b1247600.html

There's really no need for that here.

I think you have a point within grasp OP, but the comparison fails to make it.
I think there is validity in the view that the WC are considered 'lesser', and that this links to the protests because many disadvantaged people feel no one is listening to them, and that this extends to an administration they may have had reason to hope would be in their corner.
This has opened the door for right wing groups masquerading as WC saviours. Some WC people have followed them, and rather than consider what has driven them to embrace scapegoats, they are dismissed as a mindless rabble.
Clearly some among their number will indeed fit that description. But the frightening part is how many will not, and we need to understand why these ordinary people have teamed with them.

Yes, you will see further upthread that I’ve commented that this was shocking. I hadn’t seem this when I posted.

i don’t condone violence on any side. .

Thank you, This is what I need to understand and educate myself about.

So now you understand the difference between the Last Night of the Proms and a violent protest?

The difference is money !

In short:

And one person interviewed said Starmer should be shot.

Prom tickets start at £8 including booking fees.

I prefer discussion and debate over attack.

No one should advocate violence. It doesn’t fix things.

Shouting other people down isn’t the way either.

People say they’re calling for the dissolution of parliament like it’s some innocent and perfectly reasonable demand.

There was an election last year. What they’re calling for is the democratically elected government to be overthrown.

And I don’t buy the “for another vote” nonsense.

The problem we have is that we’ve had years and years of austerity government. This has been felt by us all, but most keenly by the working class who statistically have lower disposable income and are more likely to live in low income/disadvantaged areas.

When things are bad, it’s natural to look for someone to blame, both as an outlet for anger and as a longed for solution, and along comes someone loud and charismatic. “IT’S THEIR FAULT! BLAME THEM, FOLLOW ME!” and unfortunately the more life is pressing down on you and the less educated you are, the more likely you are to follow.

People with higher levels of education are more likely to think critically about whether this is true or not, to be well read enough to have studied the parallels between the last shouty leader people followed in desperation.

People who consume a broad cross-section of media and news sources are more likely to have a balanced view of the contributing factors.

People who have seen this happen before, or have been othered themselves are more likely to know better.

So you are left with white, working class men in their 20s-50s. It’s no coincidence that this is also the highest demographic for convictions for violence, domestic violence and road rage incidents too. They are also the group statistically the most passionate about football, which explains why domestic violence incidents increase by 38% when England lose the football. It explains why 41% of those arrested at all the anti-immigration riots, marches and protests so far have had precious convictions for assault and domestic violence.

My two penn'orth, for what is worth, is that people need to understand and address the real cause of WC discontent. The real reason they live in horrible neighbourhoods, with high crime rates, why they are not paid enough for their work, why there isn't affordable decent quality housing. Which is not because all the good stuff is in the hands of migrants, but because its in the hands of the wealthy privileged classes.
if the left hadn't taken its eye off the class inequality ball in favour of other causes, if it had continued to be 'progressive' in a direction their traditional voting pool benefitted from, then the right would not have gained this foothold.

It makes me laugh about this place. It's apparently full of tolerant, educated lefties, yet the contempt towards the working class is dripping from every page. They are despised and laughed at and cannot possibly care about their country or be concerned about the direction the country is heading in. Each and every one of them is a far right thug (apparently) and are incapable of thinking independently.

The people on the march are a cross section of society. They're not mindless drones. Dismissing people's opinions is what has got the country into such a state and will probably lead to a reform majority and five years of the odious farage.

Well done, keep up the derision and attacks if this is what you want. Probably too late now anyway.

Plus train tickets plus hotel fees. It’s hundreds of pounds if you’re in a deprived northern town to get to London and stay overnight. I haven’t been able to afford to stay in London for years. I can do a day trip though.

We went out into bham last night to have a meal and got a train home to Sutton Coldfield at about 930pm. Lots of men on there who had obviously ( from listening to their conversations) been in London for this protest. They were not “working class” or unemployed. They got off the train in a very affluent part of Sutton Coldfield. The assumption that people attending these marches are the uneducated lower parts of society, the jobless etc is wrong. These men were much more upper middle class. I could easily imagine them at the proms in a Union Jack bowler hat……..

The proms celebrate the time when Britain ruled the ways, Tommy Robinson wants us to rule the waves again.

There are double standards when it comes to classic music. The WI won't cease their physical or mental fight "Til we have built Jerusalem, In England's green and pleasant bank. Yet the Isreali settlers looks to the do same in the West Bank, get frowned upon.

You're all over the place OP.

Yes, I am, I’m trying to understand. Is that wrong?

@Tarryawhile umm you may have noticed the march was also in London. So these poor lambs could afford to travel to London to bellow about immigration and to beat up a few policeman but not attend a concert.

As people have said the Proms were founded to widen acces to classical muaic so more peope could afford to see it.