Mumsnet censorship

[anonymouselephantx]

Mumsnet has been deleting any comment at all that criticises Charlie Kirk... just because he has died does not mean he is infallible. He is still an evil person who did and said evil things, contributed to so much suffering of families at the hands of ICE etc., mocked the Palestinians undergoing a genocide? Mumsnet, disturbing much? I had to get MN by email to delete a thread of mine as I was getting bullied and people were making personal attacks against me (the talk guidelines say personal attacks will be deleted, yet I had to BEG for this), but they are censoring anything anyone says about Charlie Kirk? Why are we not allowed to have freedom of speech and freedom to debate, especially when it is someone who did and said SO MUCH EVIL!

I think the poster knew that as theyd just replied to you saying about your Irish passport?

Yes you’ve said you don’t mourn him. Over, and over and over. Why would you want to post the opposite to those showing sympathy to his wife and children. Says more about you to be honest than the people you are getting angry about.

Literally has not responded to a single thing anyone has said to her. She just finds new things to say and comment on (or repeat the same things over and over again).

MN has become a very toxic place.

So don't fucking tell an Irish person they don't belong in Ireland?

And how many times are you going to comment just to tell me I’ve repeated myself? If you already “get it,” then stop circling back to the same point. I’ve explained my stance, you don’t have to like it, but at this stage, you’re the one keeping it going.

Again, every job has required qualifications.NOTHING about DEI initiatives invalidates that so why are you suspicious that DEI hired won't be adequate qualified? You're forgetting that a lot of DEI initiatives actually hide identifying data of a persons race or sex and this leads to a more diverse staff base because they aren't being discriminated out of a chance at a job by lazy stereotypes (such as black people not being as skilled..) that you and Charlie Kirk are repeating. It's less of a hire a black person to tick a box thing than let's stop hiring managers being able to see who's black and white and choosing white people because of their implicit biases.

The irony.

I have said repeatedly we dont have to agree with what he says that is fine but to stick the boot in when he's jhst been murdered is a bit shit.

You do know you're repeating the same things too, yes?

Nope not ironic. I am repeating myself because you and yer one keep asking me the same questions over and over. Move on then. This isn't your thread so you're not obliged to be here constantly asking and arguing. Get a life.

Yes we must not repeat ourselves but the op can seems to be the op's very own talk guidelines.

You have said 'he has just been murdered' a million times. WE GET IT. I DO NOT CARE ONCE AGAIN.

@anonymouselephantx he was literally none of the things you state

'Get a life, shut up, stop talking shit, are you illiterate, get a hobby, stop repeating yerself'.

Try to channel Kirk a bit and debate politely.

Yes, I’ve repeated myself because you keep recycling the same tired lines: “he just died, he had a family, be kinder…” on loop. If you actually read what I wrote the first time, I wouldn’t have to spell it out again. So maybe take your own advice: move on, find a new thread to cling to, and stop acting like you’re owed endless explanations.

Why are his own words and actions sticking the boot in though? It's common when someone dies for people to talk of their legacy and he chose what to make as his. If you find it problematic, that's an issue with his actions.

As you keep repeating yourself though, why don't you tell us when the moratorium is up on speaking about what he made his entire public persona please? Is there a set date when people are allowed to or do we have to forever shut up about it? I think people have shared their views quite nicely and politely in a debating forum, everything you loved about the guy.

I'm learning as I go along - I had no idea who he was until he was killed. Can you post a link to where he has said what you say he said? Everything I am seeing so far is clips of a very conservative christian, polite, guy, having respectful conversations alongside posts from other people saying how horrible he was but with no actual evidence.....

I'm old enough (in my 70's) to have lived through the fight for gay marriage, and was very much part of the push for it. I do understand the conservative christian position against it though because I have family who are conservative christians. They believe marriage is a sacrament, instituted by God, for the procreation of children. In the UK the initial compromise was civil partnerships, giving all the legal rights but without the marriage title. My relatives were actually OK with that - they thought it was good that gay people had legal protections in their partnerships, but there is something SACRED about the whole notion of marriage for them. My guess is that CK was exactly the same 🤷🏼‍♀️.

The USA is full of conservative christians (they make my relatives look like trendy lefties) and if I were in the US I would be opposing any push to make their values and beliefs law - but that doesn't make them bigoted or hateful people - I think they are very wrong, they think they are very right - CK's mission to enter into respectful dialogue was an attempt to get both sides to listen to each other. Everything I have seen so far convinces me he was doing a good thing.

You've said you DON'T CARE more than once too..

I'd suggest you try and calm down a bit you'll make yourself ill.

YOU DID NOT KNOW HIM UNTIL YESTERDAY!!!! HE WAS NOT POLITE NOR WAS HE KIND. HE WAS ACTUALLY INFAMOUS.

I do not care if you think he was polite, he still spewed hate which you are defending.

Gloria just move on😂

Take your own advice would be my suggestion.

Nearly 700 posts in and can be summed up as - you are not required to mourn for someone you don’t wish to mourn for. The end.

I’ve already posted direct quotes from him earlier in the thread- feel free to scroll back. It wasn’t just “respectful dialogue,” it was years of race-baiting, Islamophobia, and minimising violence dressed up in a polite tone.

We have moved on from the mourning discussion. I am replying to what you and 'gLoRiA' continue saying and asking.

Yet you keep repeating that he just died. We. Get. It.

You can Google him discussing this point. Kindly, you're taking it upon yourself to post information on him I'm sure you're able to find the full context.

A marriage ceremony is only a sacrament to those who believe it is and still only when it's performed in a church by a priest etc. Marriage as a word or a concept isn't owned by Christianity and it's ideals. Christians are welcome to their definition of a Christian marriage under the church, they don't get to pick and choose who gets access to secular marriage rights although they did for long enough. Charlie wasn't against gay people accessing the Christian sacrament of marriage, he was against them having their legal secular marriage rights.