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Now the Australians are protesting

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MiddleAgedMusings · 08/09/2025 23:17

Their main target is Indians.
Indians. Who have come legally - not on boats - but on aeroplanes, with the correct visas, who are students seeking further education in order to train as doctors, nurses, or whatever so that they can give back to Australia - Or they are already trained in a profession that the government has outlined has a shortage.

Australia is absolutely solid to get into with specific qualifications or experience being a mandatory requirement and the financial means to support one self. The whole western world constantly puts Australia on a pedestal for not being a soft touch for immigration. How are these protesters questioning the value of this diaspora's contribution to the Australian economy, and how can anybody deny that it's pure racism?

Australia doesn't have a problem luring white British nurses and doctors to their shores with generous repatriation packages, but an Indian nurse or doctor aren't good enough. Australians don't have a problem with their white teenagers or graduates emigrating to western countries for 10 years before fucking off back to Australia when it's time to settle down, but god forbid anybody does it the other way

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfbArticle
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'Is this the same Melbourne I migrated to?' Indians targeted by racist messaging are asking why them

Shock and concern as ‘peace-loving and law-abiding’ community subjected to ‘hateful behaviour’

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfb

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JHound · 09/09/2025 10:52

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 10:17

Australia is not well known as a racist country at all. We are one of the most successfully multi-ethnic populations on the planet, as you would expect from a country that has long had a very heavy reliance on migrant intake from many quarters.

Yes, there's a long and ongoing problem with incorporating the indigenous population in ways that recognises adequate autonomy, land and resources rights and self-determination, while adequately compensating for the horrors of the British colonial past and its consequences.

Those problems should not be underplayed, but they're part of a much bigger global legacy of misery and misfortune caused by the racist invasions and exploitations of the British Empire.

Sorry to disappoint but outside of Australia that IS the reputation Australia has. I think it’s unfair when compared to any other Western country but that is the reputation it has on the global
stage.

The constant reaction I get from people when I tell them I lived in Oz is shock with them wondering how I survived in a country “as racist
as Australia” (and it’s also a question I got from
fellow Britons INSIDE Australia ).

A lot of people think Australia and think White Australia policy and that’s its reputation globally
(despite people from all over the world moving there.)

IwasatClaines · 09/09/2025 10:53

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 10:41

I'm an English migrant (British citizen, Aussie resident) who's lived in various parts of Australia and I too have never heard an Australian use the P**i term.

Even racist Australians don't use that term, it's a British thing.

I agree. I heard it all the time growing up in the UK. Have never heard that insult used of them here. Indians were until fairly recently a much smaller demographic, who came to Australia from Fiji (they had been taken there by the British).
Pakistanis are very recent arrivals as well.

My Mediterranean region friends from Greece, Italy, Armenia etc however were called “wogs” at school which was eye opening to me because that was a different insult in the UK used of black people. In fact Australians of that background have now co-opted the insult as their own term.

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 10:53

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 10:43

‘Famine like consequences for the Irish population’? Let’s please call it what it was… a famine caused by the genocide perpetrated on the Irish people. While there are large numbers of people emigrating from Ireland now, back then they were seeking asylum to escape the oppression by the English and certain death in many cases.

It is frequently incorrectly called the famine.

The definition of famine is scarcity of food.
There was significant exportation of Irish produce taken from the Irish to export to the UK.

The Irish were literally starved by the British which is why it ls known as The Great Hunger in Ireland.

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 10:55

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 10:52

You really need to take responsibility for now. Take the good and the bad and be accountable.

Yep, we've done so, thanks.

And taking responsibility also entails being well aware of the colonial history of this nation, the many crimes and injustices that were committed, and what needs to be done to try to compensate for them.

JHound · 09/09/2025 10:58

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 10:49

Not at all. By recognising a continual history of racism and oppression against the indigenous population, we necessarily have to recognise that it began with the British invasion and the displacement and disempowerment of the native population, and continued because the same colonial attitudes and policies prevailed well into the modern era.

It's you who want to magically absolve Britain of any responsibility after firmly institutionalising the whole oppressive system.

I have no issue with discussing Britain as a colonial force but by claiming it was a British policy done by Britons you are white washing your history.

And you know that.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 10:59

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 10:55

Yep, we've done so, thanks.

And taking responsibility also entails being well aware of the colonial history of this nation, the many crimes and injustices that were committed, and what needs to be done to try to compensate for them.

Good. Don't blame others, it's all within your power, stand on your own two feet and stop attaching anything you don't like to us.

Anything negative you can see right now is Australian not to do with the British.

Emmeline50 · 09/09/2025 11:03

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 10:52

You really need to take responsibility for now. Take the good and the bad and be accountable.

Australia has taken accountability for the treatment of the First Nations people. The Australian Prime Minister apologised to the First Nations people in Australia in 2008.

Here is the video, I recommend watching it.

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InWalksBarberalla · 09/09/2025 11:04

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 10:59

Good. Don't blame others, it's all within your power, stand on your own two feet and stop attaching anything you don't like to us.

Anything negative you can see right now is Australian not to do with the British.

Must be nice to absolve yourself (assuming you have British ancestory) of the immeasurable and long lasting harm your colonising has done across the world (with Australia just one of the many examples). Whilst taking advantage of the spoils. Do you comfortably tell all the peoples living with the lines your people drew on maps to deal with it as it's their problem now.

BeanQuisine · 09/09/2025 11:05

JHound · 09/09/2025 10:58

I have no issue with discussing Britain as a colonial force but by claiming it was a British policy done by Britons you are white washing your history.

And you know that.

Mixed race children were being removed from aboriginal families very early in the picture, with the Colony of Victoria passing an act in 1869 to allow for such removals. The Stolen Generations go way back, along with the attitudes and policies that kept the practice going for so long.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 11:05

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 10:53

It is frequently incorrectly called the famine.

The definition of famine is scarcity of food.
There was significant exportation of Irish produce taken from the Irish to export to the UK.

The Irish were literally starved by the British which is why it ls known as The Great Hunger in Ireland.

Thank you, I’m fully aware of the history. All I was saying was let’s not use language like ‘famine like consequences’ due to the food being exported. Let’s call it what is was… a famine as a result of the genocide perpetrated against the Irish people by the British.

The Irish do not refer to this time as The Great Hunger anymore, we call it what is was… the oppression and genocide of the Irish by the British. Some few may still refer to ‘The Famine’ but it is now widely recognised, documented and taught in schools for what it was… a genocide.

You may think I’m silly and splitting hairs somewhat but language and history are important.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 11:05

InWalksBarberalla · 09/09/2025 11:04

Must be nice to absolve yourself (assuming you have British ancestory) of the immeasurable and long lasting harm your colonising has done across the world (with Australia just one of the many examples). Whilst taking advantage of the spoils. Do you comfortably tell all the peoples living with the lines your people drew on maps to deal with it as it's their problem now.

You are independent enough now to be accountable for your actions. If you see things you don't like in Australia, change it.

Btw if you are not First Nation you are more the coloniser. Or your ancestors.

Holluschickie · 09/09/2025 11:06

InWalksBarberalla · 09/09/2025 10:18

There does seem to be a bit of a nternational movement against Indians at the moment actually - US, Canada, Australia. Could be different localised issues or something more driven. I don't recall it before the Indian Pakistan skirmishes but no idea if it's related.

Because a large proportion of them are highly successful and have STEM degrees, plus can speak English.

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 11:08

Sorry to disappoint but outside of Australia that IS the reputation Australia has

Unfortunately, it is all too often a misconception perpetuated and propagated by people who have never been there.

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 11:12

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 11:05

Thank you, I’m fully aware of the history. All I was saying was let’s not use language like ‘famine like consequences’ due to the food being exported. Let’s call it what is was… a famine as a result of the genocide perpetrated against the Irish people by the British.

The Irish do not refer to this time as The Great Hunger anymore, we call it what is was… the oppression and genocide of the Irish by the British. Some few may still refer to ‘The Famine’ but it is now widely recognised, documented and taught in schools for what it was… a genocide.

You may think I’m silly and splitting hairs somewhat but language and history are important.

And I am also very aware of the history.

And unfortunately it is still being taught in primary schools as The Famine.

Papyrophile · 09/09/2025 11:12

The Irish Famine, or the Great Hunger, may have been exacerbated by the export of food from Ireland to Britain, but the underlying problems were a series of very poor harvests across Europe and the nearly complete failure of the potato crop due to blight. Or so I was taught in History O level.

TubeP · 09/09/2025 11:12

Lottie2shoes · 09/09/2025 09:25

This post makes me laugh!!
Seriously, look at all your posts on this thread only, never mind all the other threads i have encountered you on.
You have had enough of being called racist?

👏👏👏

InWalksBarberalla · 09/09/2025 11:13

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 11:05

You are independent enough now to be accountable for your actions. If you see things you don't like in Australia, change it.

Btw if you are not First Nation you are more the coloniser. Or your ancestors.

Edited

Huh, no my heritage is another country that the UK colonised and is still dealing with the scars. I count myself an Australian now (even though that makes me a racist criminal apparently) like many other immigrants from around the world who call Australia home. I don't think you know what the word coloniser means.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 11:14

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 11:12

And I am also very aware of the history.

And unfortunately it is still being taught in primary schools as The Famine.

Well that’s disappointing to hear because in both my DC primary and secondary, as well as a few others that friends DC attend, it is very clearly taught that it was a genocide.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 11:17

InWalksBarberalla · 09/09/2025 11:13

Huh, no my heritage is another country that the UK colonised and is still dealing with the scars. I count myself an Australian now (even though that makes me a racist criminal apparently) like many other immigrants from around the world who call Australia home. I don't think you know what the word coloniser means.

It's interesting you blame people still here who haven't moved to Australia, when you have moved to the country. You have claimed what you like and still blame others.

The responsibility towards First Nation people and others is entirely with you, not with the British. Have some accountability.

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 11:18

Papyrophile · 09/09/2025 11:12

The Irish Famine, or the Great Hunger, may have been exacerbated by the export of food from Ireland to Britain, but the underlying problems were a series of very poor harvests across Europe and the nearly complete failure of the potato crop due to blight. Or so I was taught in History O level.

You were given incorrect information.

The Irish were dependent on potatoes as their land was largely taken from them by the English.

Vast quantities of Irish produce was taken from
the Irish to export to the UK to feed the English, leaving the Irish to starve to death …. or emigrate.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 11:20

Papyrophile · 09/09/2025 11:12

The Irish Famine, or the Great Hunger, may have been exacerbated by the export of food from Ireland to Britain, but the underlying problems were a series of very poor harvests across Europe and the nearly complete failure of the potato crop due to blight. Or so I was taught in History O level.

This doesn’t surprise me. My step father is English and what he was taught in school was similarly untrue and shocking.

Using your own reasoning… do you really believe that the Irish had little more than potatoes to survive on? Do you not think that they raised cattle, sheep and pigs? Hunted game? Fished the waters? Grew other crops, fruit, vegetables?

The ‘underlying problem’, actually the entire problem, was the British and their colonisation and oppression of the Irish people. They systematically stole their land, they stole their food, banned their native tongue, persecuted those of differing religions. This was a systematic genocide of the Irish people.

Please do read further into the history because your History O level has done you a disservice.

IwasatClaines · 09/09/2025 11:22

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 11:17

It's interesting you blame people still here who haven't moved to Australia, when you have moved to the country. You have claimed what you like and still blame others.

The responsibility towards First Nation people and others is entirely with you, not with the British. Have some accountability.

Australia has at least officially apologised for the Stolen Generation era whereas, Britain has never apologised for slavery and in fact bailed out the slave owners. It was a huge bail out using tax payers funds, superseded only by the 2008 bank bailout in scale.

Falseknock · 09/09/2025 11:23

JHound · 09/09/2025 10:45

Take ownership of your country’s racism in the modern era

They're ancestry dates back to England. You can take a man out of England but you can't take England out of the man. I was born in the UK I am English. If you don't know your past you'll never know your future and you will keep on making the same mistakes. Look at the mess we are in with Brexit we don't learn we like to self harm ourselves. It will never affect the rich only the poor who thought their vote meant something more for them.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2025 11:24

IwasatClaines · 09/09/2025 11:22

Australia has at least officially apologised for the Stolen Generation era whereas, Britain has never apologised for slavery and in fact bailed out the slave owners. It was a huge bail out using tax payers funds, superseded only by the 2008 bank bailout in scale.

If you are happy with an apology in Australia, Tony Blair did do this for slavery.

Dangermoos · 09/09/2025 11:26

I can't believe you're all arguing over who's seen as the most racist. Meanwhile, plans are afoot..