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Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 13:38

JHound · 09/09/2025 13:09

I think you should respond to what I wrote. Nowhere did I suggest modern guilt for past atrocities.

But if you want to congratulate yourself for Britain’s role as proud abolitionists you should equally recognise its role as enthusiastic slavers.

And yes I am aware of the common response “SLavERy exIStED iN AfRIca tO0!11!”.

I am fully cognisant (I suspect more than you) of the role of African traders, slaving trading nations such as the Kingdom of Dahomey, Aro Confederancy and the Ndongo (the latter of whom traded people for weaponry to fight the more technologically advanced Portuguese. None of these nations exist now.

But it’s a lazy trope, there were systems of slavery in Africa (not all of which we would class as slavery - the Asante as an example had a type of enslavement where you “volunteered” for it.) But not all match the Atlantic trade which was especially brutal, racialised and of an immense scale (80,000 victims trafficked per annum).

And to be blunt, Africa paid for that involvement.
While participation in the TAST enriched some coastal kingdoms the overwhelming impact to the continent was negative. Farmers turned to raiders, increased warfare, depopulation, halted development and all of this resulted in a complete inability to defend itself against
European colonial takeover (with those nice straight lines on the map).

But I digress. To repeat my point:

I think you should respond to what I wrote. Nowhere did I suggest modern guilt for past atrocities.

But if you want to congratulate yourself for Britain’s role as proud abolitionists you should equally recognise its role as enthusiastic slavers,

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Enslavement where you volunteered for it😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

JJWT · 09/09/2025 13:41

Am I missing something? The white people know their race isn't from Oz, right?! What do the Aboriginal community think? Maybe they'd also "like their country back". You couldn't make it up, could you? People from Europe saying that people from Asia aren't welcome in Australasia. F me. "We stole it first.... "!

IjustbelieveinMe · 09/09/2025 13:44

HoppingPavlova · 09/09/2025 00:03

Australian here, who has close friends who are many different nationalities by birth (including Indian, Chinese) but are Australian, and I fully expect likely all my kids will partner and marry ‘non-white’ Australians, which is absolutely fine.

I’m not protesting but I think you are confused about what is being protested about. It’s not about not wanting non-white people in Australia at all, it’s not about not wanting Indian doctors and nurses in Australia, it’s about not wanting white Australians to be made second class citizens under non-white Australians which is where white Australians now see Australia going.

Here are some personal examples:

Some of my kids were looking to purchase a place, and DH and/or I would go with them to viewings (so experienced this first hand), around a third of places viewed the real estate agent straight up said they refused to sell to them as they were not Indian. They said we didn’t understand but the suburbs we were looking in were only for Indians so they would only sell to Indians. Refused to take offers. One literally threatened us when I joked and said I should get an Indian friend to come to viewings and make offers, indicated lives would be in danger if a white Australian purchased.

In other suburbs kids were looking at, many new build unit blocks. All brochures and sales were in Chinese only for that suburb and the minute you tried to talk to a sales rep ‘No English, Chinese only’ (said in English). All of this nonsense about white Australians not being able to live in certain suburbs means being pushed back from the CBD’s with longer commutes in.

With the place some of my kids ended up in, the Strata committee for the building are trying to hold meetings in a non-English language only. Kids are happy for it to be held in both languages given the majority of residents are native speakers of another language, but that’s not good enough, the committee don’t want English used at all, which means my kids can’t attend meetings or vote.

I was recently refused service at another nationalities restaurant. Went there with friends of that nationality. We sat down, restaurant made it clear to my friends that they didn’t serve white-Australians and didn’t want them in the restaurant. It’s a large restaurant in a CBD suburb. Friends were mortified, had a huge fight with restaurant and we left as they were not going to budge.

None of this is new per se, when my adult kids were at school, there was usually less than 5% white Australian kids there. That was the demographic of the areas we lived in as our preference was to live close to my work (major city hospitals) rather than out in the ‘white’ beach suburbs. The kids at school were fine but many of the parents would tell their kids not to associate with white Australians as they were ‘stupidly and lazy, and will make you get bad grades’ because I guess somehow you catch that??? Not all, I’ve got some great non-white Australian parents who became great friends, but it was the majority. My great hope was those parents would see first hand this was not true and that would stamp this nonsense out but it’s just gone further and further over the years.

That’s the basis of the current protests. Yes, it is about racism I guess, but it’s that white Australians are now sick and tired of the racism being directed at them and that they are being pushed out, and just want the current environment rolled back to an even footing.

I’ve lived in Melbourne for 18 years and never experienced anything like this.

TheignT · 09/09/2025 13:44

Denmark outlawed the transatlantic slave trade years before Britain so Britain didn't lead the way. It was also outlawed in Haiti before Britain.

People know what they were taught at school so they think Wilberforce was the one person involved in ending it, he was one of many.

Ottobah cugoano Olauduh Equiano and Mary Prince are worth looking up as just some of the black people who were also champions of the battle to end slavery. It is patronising to pretend Wilberforce was a lone voice.

Slave rebellions also played a part. Once slave owners figured out they were outnumbered they didn't feel quite so smug

Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 13:47

MiddleAgedMusings · 08/09/2025 23:17

Their main target is Indians.
Indians. Who have come legally - not on boats - but on aeroplanes, with the correct visas, who are students seeking further education in order to train as doctors, nurses, or whatever so that they can give back to Australia - Or they are already trained in a profession that the government has outlined has a shortage.

Australia is absolutely solid to get into with specific qualifications or experience being a mandatory requirement and the financial means to support one self. The whole western world constantly puts Australia on a pedestal for not being a soft touch for immigration. How are these protesters questioning the value of this diaspora's contribution to the Australian economy, and how can anybody deny that it's pure racism?

Australia doesn't have a problem luring white British nurses and doctors to their shores with generous repatriation packages, but an Indian nurse or doctor aren't good enough. Australians don't have a problem with their white teenagers or graduates emigrating to western countries for 10 years before fucking off back to Australia when it's time to settle down, but god forbid anybody does it the other way

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/05/melbourne-immigration-migrated-indians-targeted-racist-messaging-asking-why-ntwnfbArticle
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Someone on here mentioned the Sikh people being targeted in this latest incident. This is so unfair. I would like to second what the poster said about the Sikh community. I am white, and I live in England, and I have had many positive encounters with the Sikh community.. They do indeed have a tradition of helping with charitable causes in the community and I think they should be recognised for that. They do not deserve to be targeted at all.

TheignT · 09/09/2025 13:51

JJWT · 09/09/2025 13:41

Am I missing something? The white people know their race isn't from Oz, right?! What do the Aboriginal community think? Maybe they'd also "like their country back". You couldn't make it up, could you? People from Europe saying that people from Asia aren't welcome in Australasia. F me. "We stole it first.... "!

You'd think they'd realise unless they aren't very bright.

Then again in the 70s I worked with a woman who was moaning about waiting In a queue behind black people. She was most indignant as she told me her father fought in WWII to keep this country (England ) white. She was surprised when I told her the Nazis were the racists not the British.

TheignT · 09/09/2025 13:51

Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 13:47

Someone on here mentioned the Sikh people being targeted in this latest incident. This is so unfair. I would like to second what the poster said about the Sikh community. I am white, and I live in England, and I have had many positive encounters with the Sikh community.. They do indeed have a tradition of helping with charitable causes in the community and I think they should be recognised for that. They do not deserve to be targeted at all.

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No one should be targeted.

botheredandbewilderedagain · 09/09/2025 13:53

StarlightRobot · 09/09/2025 12:38

@nomas

I strongly disagree that the slave trade was abolished by Britain because it was no longer profitable. How much do you know about Wilberforce and his campaign against the slave trade and against slavery? He fought passionately for it and was instrumental in having this evil practice stopped. His motivation was driven by his faith and the horrors of slavery, and he relied on the evidence others produced which included brutal accounts from sailors and former slaves.

Other nations then followed the UK, although many dragged their feet and continued for decades longer (looking at you- USA, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Denmark, etc).

There is a lot of ignorance around the history of this

Have a read of this.

https://www.historyhit.com/reasons-why-britain-abolished-slavery/

Slavery was proving to be an uneconomic model and this, along with other reasons including slave rebellions, led to the abolition of slavery in Britain.

7 Reasons Why Britain Abolished Slavery

On 28 August 1833, the Slavery Abolition Act was given royal assent in Britain. This legislation terminated an institution that, for generations, had...

https://www.historyhit.com/reasons-why-britain-abolished-slavery/

Violinist64 · 09/09/2025 13:57

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 10:02

I think you are not seeing the difference in legal v illegal immigration.

As for why so many Irish emigrated? Have you forgotten the Irish people’s food was taken from them to export to the UK by resulting in famine like consequences for the Irish population?

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Oh, please. Not this again. It was terrible and should never have happened but it was nearly 200 years ago and no one who is alive today had anything to do with it. The British government of the time behaved very badly, we know that, but many, many British people were also living at subsistence level at that time. My ancestors on one side of my family were coal miners in the north of England. They would have had short and very hard lives with not enough to eat.

IllBeLookingAtTheMoon · 09/09/2025 13:59

JJWT · 09/09/2025 13:41

Am I missing something? The white people know their race isn't from Oz, right?! What do the Aboriginal community think? Maybe they'd also "like their country back". You couldn't make it up, could you? People from Europe saying that people from Asia aren't welcome in Australasia. F me. "We stole it first.... "!

It's not really like that as you would know if you had spent time there.

Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 14:03

TheignT · 09/09/2025 13:51

No one should be targeted.

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Well.of course, but someone said it was the Sikh community that was targeted so.....

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 14:03

Violinist64 · 09/09/2025 13:57

Oh, please. Not this again. It was terrible and should never have happened but it was nearly 200 years ago and no one who is alive today had anything to do with it. The British government of the time behaved very badly, we know that, but many, many British people were also living at subsistence level at that time. My ancestors on one side of my family were coal miners in the north of England. They would have had short and very hard lives with not enough to eat.

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‘Not this again’?

Really?

The Irish were starved by the British but YOU think the Irish need to get over it???

Oh and the Irish need to remember not to bring it up in a thread about emigration?

I don’t think so.

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 14:12

nomas · 09/09/2025 12:20

The British ended slavery because it wasn’t as profitable anymore and because of the massive revolts in places like Jamaica.

So please don’t pretend Britain ended slavery for moral reasons.

Britain is what it is due to the blood, sweat and tears of slavery and colonial rule and people need to remember that.

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There is no need to pretend.

The British spent a huge amount of money preventing slavery. Paying compensation to slave owners and stationing naval forces off the coast of Africa with no other purpose than to police its anti-slavery stance. That cost money, lots of it. Slave owners received approximately £20 million in compensation from the government in 1837. That is equivalent to nearly £2,000,000,000 in today’s money.

You don’t do that if all you are interested in is profit.

TheignT · 09/09/2025 14:13

Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 14:03

Well.of course, but someone said it was the Sikh community that was targeted so.....

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So no one should be targeted.

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:14

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 14:12

There is no need to pretend.

The British spent a huge amount of money preventing slavery. Paying compensation to slave owners and stationing naval forces off the coast of Africa with no other purpose than to police its anti-slavery stance. That cost money, lots of it. Slave owners received approximately £20 million in compensation from the government in 1837. That is equivalent to nearly £2,000,000,000 in today’s money.

You don’t do that if all you are interested in is profit.

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Are you serious? All that money was EARNT from slavery FFS!

Coolasfeck · 09/09/2025 14:16

From what I’ve read online my understanding is that Indian people are being targeted in Australia (and Canada) because there’s a belief that in recent years they have dominated/ received preference in regard to immigration into those countries.

There’s also a belief that on top of tech jobs being offshored to India, Indians are also moving to the West to take up jobs in large numbers.

I have also read that there is sentiment among some Australians and Canadian’s that once an Indian national gets a senior position/becomes a hiring manager they implement racist hiring practices to hire other Indians over others.

These are not my opinions, I don’t live in those countries but it’s stuff I’ve seen online. It looks like this has been bubbling under the surface for a while.

TheignT · 09/09/2025 14:18

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:14

Are you serious? All that money was EARNT from slavery FFS!

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British tax payers were paying off the loans that funded the compensation until 2015. Just think of all the descendants of slaves who were paying off those debts their whole working lives. Of course no compensation for the slaves.

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:20

Daygloboo · 09/09/2025 13:47

Someone on here mentioned the Sikh people being targeted in this latest incident. This is so unfair. I would like to second what the poster said about the Sikh community. I am white, and I live in England, and I have had many positive encounters with the Sikh community.. They do indeed have a tradition of helping with charitable causes in the community and I think they should be recognised for that. They do not deserve to be targeted at all.

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It’s not fair to attack ANY community.

As a British Asian, I have defended my fellow Asians from racism and aggression from white people whatever their religion, whether Muslim, Sikh or Hindu.

Please don’t try and play this divide and conquer game.

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:21

TheignT · 09/09/2025 14:18

British tax payers were paying off the loans that funded the compensation until 2015. Just think of all the descendants of slaves who were paying off those debts their whole working lives. Of course no compensation for the slaves.

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Agreed. We’ve all benefitted from slavery, so we should all have paid.

Rainydayinlondon · 09/09/2025 14:22

Starlia · 09/09/2025 12:37

This is just horrific.

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@Starlia what is horrific?

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 14:23

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:14

Are you serious? All that money was EARNT from slavery FFS!

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I know, ridiculous point… all that money was given to slave ‘owners’ as well, not a penny given to the formerly enslaved! And those that were ‘freed’ were actually still forced to work, without pay, for their former enslavers on an apprenticeship’ for many years afterwards… that £20m was literally just money for their boys, not an admirable act to end slavery.

@Elbowpatchi think you’re having a good time with pulling figures out of an AI platform today are you? 😅

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 14:23

nomas · 09/09/2025 14:14

Are you serious? All that money was EARNT from slavery FFS!

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What difference does it make where it came from? It was spent to free slaves. It didn’t have to be.

It was spent to free slaves because slavery had become unpalatable to the majority in Britain.

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 14:26

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 14:23

I know, ridiculous point… all that money was given to slave ‘owners’ as well, not a penny given to the formerly enslaved! And those that were ‘freed’ were actually still forced to work, without pay, for their former enslavers on an apprenticeship’ for many years afterwards… that £20m was literally just money for their boys, not an admirable act to end slavery.

@Elbowpatchi think you’re having a good time with pulling figures out of an AI platform today are you? 😅

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No AI used at all.

Historical facts, well documented.

MooseLooseAboutTheHoose · 09/09/2025 14:26

Elbowpatch · 09/09/2025 14:23

What difference does it make where it came from? It was spent to free slaves. It didn’t have to be.

It was spent to free slaves because slavery had become unpalatable to the majority in Britain.

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No, it’s more likely it was spent to keep their own on side as they were unable to quell the unrest in the colonies, slavery was rightly collapsing and those that ‘owned’ slaves were rich and powerful so had to be kept happy.

I don’t believe for a second it was done out of the goodness of the British heart.

Slabberon · 09/09/2025 14:28

Itstwelveoclocksomewhere · 09/09/2025 14:03

‘Not this again’?

Really?

The Irish were starved by the British but YOU think the Irish need to get over it???

Oh and the Irish need to remember not to bring it up in a thread about emigration?

I don’t think so.

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exactly! The British history curriculum likes to focus on Elizabeth the first, Industrial Revolution, Skip over to WW1&-2 then Brits wonder why all the other nations who get taught about colonialism, the British man-made famines in Ireland, and how Britain royally fucked up in Africa, Palestine, India, Northern Ireland and everywhere else get pissed off about it.