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To think I should work less and claim Universal Credit?

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Tiredandgrumpymum · 06/09/2025 17:11

After a difficult divorce I find myself supporting my 2 children on my own. Ex-husband pays the bare minimum.

I work full time on about minimum wage, all my shopping is done at Asda usually yellow-stickered where ever possible. This year managed to take my 2 kids away for a weeks break by the seaside in a caravan. We had a lovely time but did it as cheaply as possible. Bought ice cream and put in the freezer in the caravan so when kids asked for an ice cream out I said wait till we get home.

No eating out except for takeaway chips etc. No expensive days out.

Just bought all the school uniforms as cheaply as possible from the supermarket and the school shoes which I've had to put on my credit card.

My SIL popped round for a coffee earlier on her way back from the hairdressers having treated herself to a new cut and colour at a posh salon and she was just on the way to get her nails done. She's just returned from a 2 week all inclusive in Turkey with her 4 kids. Her kids get the best school uniforms and school shoes and she pays for them to do various activities I can only dream about. All this and she works 3 mornings a week and gets topped up on UC. She goes to the gym everyday as she can afford it and has the time to so looks fabulous.
I'm sorry I sound so bitter but I really am.

OP posts:
NotEnoughKnittingTime · 07/09/2025 08:37

Friendlygingercat · 07/09/2025 00:52

You should legally claim what you can from the system in order to secure best advantage for yourself. I see this as no different than people earning over 100K who drop their hours or practise salary sacrifice as a tax planning measure. Or those who run a business who claim for the use of their home and every last paperclip as a business expense. The system is set up with loopholes which people exploit.

Edited

Careful. Apparently on here it is different rules for the rich folk.

ThisOldThang · 07/09/2025 08:49

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 07/09/2025 08:37

Careful. Apparently on here it is different rules for the rich folk.

Not paying tax you're not obliged to pay isn't the same as manipulating the system to take out as much taxpayer's cash as you can for the least amount of work.

TheproblemitsME · 07/09/2025 09:05

Grammarnut · 06/09/2025 21:55

She doesn't have all she needs. She can't buy decent school uniforms and thus she will be paying double when they need replacing sooner than better quality would - it's the Vimes' boots idea (in case you are not a TP fan Vimes points out that a poor man buys a 10 Ankh-Morpork dollar pair of boots and he has to replace them every 6 mths, whilst a rich man buys 50 AM dollar boots and they last him ten years, so the poor man spends a lot more on boots than the rich man). If she's entitled to UC she should get it - she will have paid NI and tax, after all.

Edited

Children grow so fast that cheap uniform and shoes are fine. We always choose to get cheaper for that reason

howshouldibehave · 07/09/2025 09:37

My SIL popped round for a coffee earlier on her way back from the hairdressers having treated herself to a new cut and colour at a posh salon and she was just on the way to get her nails done. She's just returned from a 2 week all inclusive in Turkey with her 4 kids. Her kids get the best school uniforms and school shoes and she pays for them to do various activities I can only dream about. All this and she works 3 mornings a week

Is this your brother's wife? Does your brother work?

MissRaspberry · 07/09/2025 10:54

DonnyBurrito · 07/09/2025 01:25

UC is capped at 2 kids so she's not claiming for all 4. Does she get child maintenance? She might have exceptional credit and be putting everything on credit cards 🤷🏻‍♀️ she might be Klarna-ing the F out of everything for now.

UC does not just 'let' all parents not work. After the youngest has turned 3, they are expected to be looking for and available for work, or else they are sanctioned. There are weekly appointments, stipulations set, and they must be met or else you're basically fucked.

UC doesn't help with childcare costs unless you have a job offer or are working.

You are always better off working, however when you're a single parent you're actually working two jobs, and to be honest the margin could be fairly slim for being 'better off' when you're on minimum wage.

Depending on the job you do, the length of the commute, and how all that takes away from being able to do all the tasks that give your children a good home life (aka nutritious meals, hygienic house, opportunity for enough genuine connection aka emotional bandwidth) then to be honest having an extra £100 a month I'm not sure is entirely worth sacrificing that.

It doesn't sound like you are sacrificing anything, though. You're just possibly misinformed that being on UC = £££

Whilst UC is now capped at two kids they only applied that cap to any children born after April 2017. If all of the SIL's kids were born before then she would absolutely be claiming for all 4. Any kids born before then can still continue to be claimed for and any others born after then won't be claimed for if there are already two or more children being claimed for

MissRaspberry · 07/09/2025 10:57

Isthisfake · 06/09/2025 22:27

Sorry I know this isn’t the point of your thread. But could you gift this to your children. Put it into their ISA and then you would be eligible for universal credits?

No she can't as UC will see it as a deprivation of capital and they will class her as still having the funds even if she doesnt

WunTooThree · 07/09/2025 13:02

SadTimesInFife · 07/09/2025 04:40

@WunTooThree
I recommend you save it, wisely, for a rainy day. Nice things are luxuries which none of us are entitled to, especially if living hand to mouth.

It is up to me what I do with it, but thanks.

WunTooThree · 07/09/2025 13:22

Pavingprincess · 07/09/2025 02:16

Thanks for proving my point. No cash handouts are needed for ADHD.

It hasn't proven anything. No one on PIP has to say or justify what they spend the money on. Not to the DWP and especially not to you.
If someone has gone through the huge task of applying, gathering evidence, and having the gruelling assessment, and gets awarded, then they are deemed to be in need of that award.

You also can't make a blanket statement about no handouts being needed for ADHD. You would have to know everyone with it, and how it affects them, to make such a bullshit bold claim.

Also, when you apply, you have to list ALL of your health conditions, even ones you are not actually applying for. So some someone with ADHD could be applying for a different disability they have.

I know someone who is going through the DLA paperwork for her little AuDHD boy. She has missed the deadline several times as she is struggling with the forms. Everyday, she tries to see the best in him and help him work to his strengths. The form is forcing her to do the complete opposite and has been taking a toll on her mental health.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 13:55

Pavingprincess · 07/09/2025 02:16

Thanks for proving my point. No cash handouts are needed for ADHD.

How on earth csn you come to that conclusion without knowing how the ADHD impacts a person again it goes off NEED not diagnosis some people with ADHD won't meet the criteria for DLA/ PIP
But many will
Out of interest whst disabilities do you feel are acceptable to.make a claim?

x2boys · 07/09/2025 13:59

WunTooThree · 07/09/2025 13:02

It is up to me what I do with it, but thanks.

Yep you could spend it all on fine wine and luxury chocolates if you want !
I think that's whst annoys people they can't dictate what people should spend their disability benefits on.

ThisOldThang · 07/09/2025 14:08

x2boys · 07/09/2025 13:59

Yep you could spend it all on fine wine and luxury chocolates if you want !
I think that's whst annoys people they can't dictate what people should spend their disability benefits on.

If somebody did spend 100% of their PIP/DLA on fine wine and luxury chocolate, then it should suggest they don't need a Personal Independence Payment.

How is fine wine and luxury chocolate related to living an independent life? Why should taxpayers fund that?

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:16

Nosey question, as PIP doesn't exist in Ireland, there is a weekly disability payment of €229 approx, similarly to income/incapacity support but no monthly payment like PIP or mobility cars.
I know that mobility cars take a huge chunk.

Anyway my question is, how much is high rate pip/dla per monthly.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 14:24

ThisOldThang · 07/09/2025 14:08

If somebody did spend 100% of their PIP/DLA on fine wine and luxury chocolate, then it should suggest they don't need a Personal Independence Payment.

How is fine wine and luxury chocolate related to living an independent life? Why should taxpayers fund that?

I was being flippant
The point is that people csn spend their money on whatever they want
And it's nobody else's business.
But you carry on winding your self up .

x2boys · 07/09/2025 14:31

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:16

Nosey question, as PIP doesn't exist in Ireland, there is a weekly disability payment of €229 approx, similarly to income/incapacity support but no monthly payment like PIP or mobility cars.
I know that mobility cars take a huge chunk.

Anyway my question is, how much is high rate pip/dla per monthly.

It's about £110/ week HRC and £77 / week mobility every four weeks these are the rates my son gets ,we chose to have a mobility car so the mobility element is deducted automatically so my son gets paid £440 every four weeks and we have a car for him.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:48

It is not a lot for a disabled person to live on.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 14:52

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:48

It is not a lot for a disabled person to live on.

Well they might also be entitled to universal credit and a further disability element on top but that's means tested and DLA / PIP isn't.

Falseknock · 07/09/2025 14:57

It never occurred to me to sign up to PIP. I am deaf in my left ear and I have 80% in my right of hearing. It does affect how I hear people I can't wear a hearing aid. Idon't think I could put myself through the assessment. I can cope without and I don't feel I am in great need at the moment. There is new hearing aid that can connect with my right ear from my left side so I may give that a go.

x2boys · 07/09/2025 15:03

Falseknock · 07/09/2025 14:57

It never occurred to me to sign up to PIP. I am deaf in my left ear and I have 80% in my right of hearing. It does affect how I hear people I can't wear a hearing aid. Idon't think I could put myself through the assessment. I can cope without and I don't feel I am in great need at the moment. There is new hearing aid that can connect with my right ear from my left side so I may give that a go.

Edited

Are you able to independently care for yourself, cook ,clean undertake a journey from A to B independently?
If so you would unlikely to be eligible
My oldest son is an insulin dependent Diabetic, he wouldn't meet the criteria either.

TeaAndTattoos · 07/09/2025 15:06

Are you sure you’re not already entitled to some UC I would have a look because it does no harm to find out.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 07/09/2025 15:28

TeaAndTattoos · 07/09/2025 15:06

Are you sure you’re not already entitled to some UC I would have a look because it does no harm to find out.

Does no harm to read OPs posts either

PossibleIm · 07/09/2025 15:37

Op it does seem terribly unfair.

I'm sure it's been mentioned but for one year is it possible to tuck 10 away each month for various things start now but start to spend it next year ?

Eg 5 each month into a pot for Christmas and one for birthdays and one for holidays.

Don't touch it for Christmas this year or birthdays

Also see if you can join yha ,they have some nice rooms private with en suites and they have sales several times a year.
I can't do longer than two nights in them nor in a bunk bed however...many have double beds now.
I just found when we were really skint it opened up at least having the odd night away and you can self cater.

Small amounts do add up.

Also re the ISA have you looked at cash v stocks and shares ISA.

Pavingprincess · 07/09/2025 15:49

WunTooThree · 07/09/2025 13:22

It hasn't proven anything. No one on PIP has to say or justify what they spend the money on. Not to the DWP and especially not to you.
If someone has gone through the huge task of applying, gathering evidence, and having the gruelling assessment, and gets awarded, then they are deemed to be in need of that award.

You also can't make a blanket statement about no handouts being needed for ADHD. You would have to know everyone with it, and how it affects them, to make such a bullshit bold claim.

Also, when you apply, you have to list ALL of your health conditions, even ones you are not actually applying for. So some someone with ADHD could be applying for a different disability they have.

I know someone who is going through the DLA paperwork for her little AuDHD boy. She has missed the deadline several times as she is struggling with the forms. Everyday, she tries to see the best in him and help him work to his strengths. The form is forcing her to do the complete opposite and has been taking a toll on her mental health.

Exactly. No one checks what you spend it on. You don’t have to explain what you spend it on to anyone. Therapy? NHS provides that. Drugs? NHS provides that.

You shouldn’t just get a handout as a sympathy payment for having ADHD.

Pavingprincess · 07/09/2025 15:51

x2boys · 07/09/2025 14:24

I was being flippant
The point is that people csn spend their money on whatever they want
And it's nobody else's business.
But you carry on winding your self up .

It’s the taxpayers money. It shouldn’t be given to them to fritter away on luxuries not available to those working full time on minimum wage.

Kirbert2 · 07/09/2025 15:52

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:48

It is not a lot for a disabled person to live on.

My son gets high rate DLA plus high rate mobility though I have a mobility car which is what that goes to.

I also receive UC which includes the carer rate and disabled child rate. You only get this if your child has medium or high rate care needs.

We get by but we certainly aren’t rolling in it like some seem to think.

Kirbert2 · 07/09/2025 15:52

EmeraldShamrock000 · 07/09/2025 14:48

It is not a lot for a disabled person to live on.

My son gets high rate DLA plus high rate mobility though I have a mobility car which is what that goes to.

I also receive UC which includes the carer rate and disabled child rate. You only get this if your child has medium or high rate care needs.

We get by but we certainly aren’t rolling in it like some seem to think.

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